Alaska stadium forced landing

[SDdriver]

How is my statement about flaps incorrect? So I didn't give the anal retentive full NASA technical explanation like some of you people always do on this board, so I don't know what the hell I am talking about right? Are you telling me it is wrong that using flaps will not increase your decent rate without increasing airspeed? IF you tell me my statement was incorrect because I didn't give the full explanation of the use of flaps, then ok, but my statement was not incorrect. Sure using flaps will give you a lower stall speed at touchdown, I agree, I don't think I could have gotten the ratings I have without understanding the use of flaps,

Look, I am not going to tell you that you don't know what the hell you are talking about or that you don't understand something just because you don't give a full detailed textbook description of it, I will take it that you understand the definition of it, but are only using part of the definition to suit your specific argument. That is my argument.

It amazes me that you (A squared) are not even saying anything about the argument here; you are picking apart my words and using that to attack my knowledge level about specific things. Why don't you contribute your opinion about emergency landings with or without flaps? Did you even read the rest of my statement? Probably not since I am so inferior to your amazing intellect.

Ok OK OK, you are all right and I don't know what the hell I am talking about..OooKkk. My point was made about the ORIGINAL subject, I didn't sign on to debate the correct definition of the use of flaps, or angle of attack. Oh by the way A Squared, do you think AOA just pertains to aircraft? I guess it can only mean the angle between the chord line of the airfoil and the relative wind right, as pertaining to an aircraft wing. AOA is an ANGLE right??
Hmm..Ok.

IF this thread is going to change to an attack on my specific words and statements not pertaining to the subject at hand then I will bow out, cause I don't have the time to write out a long explaination of something that I am sure you all ready know. Imagine that, I never said that your lack of explaining flaps and AOA meant you didn't know what you are talking about.

GEEZ YA'LL we have a couple of engineers here, imagine that!

NExt time your engine quits, do me a favor email me your specific calculations of your amazing reduction in kinetic energy just before impact, I would love to see those figures. JEsus, shut up and fly the plane.

SD

 

[SDdriver]

Oh by the way, Mr. Pocket Protectors:

I am not surprised so many people are leaving this board for other places. You can't even make a comment without some guy picking apart your statement to find anything and everything wrong with your comment and your use of words. I guess after reading this board for so long that shouldn't be a surprise to me.

At least someone got what I was trying to say, Thanks Sky37d, you actually read my post, got exactly what I was trying to say, and didn't pick it apart..Take lessons guys, Oh I mean Mr. Engineers, it can happen, You can do it!! ..


See ya..

SD

 

[Andy Neill]

Stop The Presses!!!

It turns out that SDdriver is right. There ARE other applications of AOA. Look at this!

http://www.nature.com/nsu/010510/010510-3.html

 

[stlpilot]

You know this conversation reminds me of the time my aviation professor told me when the s!i!t hit the fan in your airplane the captain never leans over to the copilot and says "Say George, what was your background and GPA in College? And could you carefully calculate the coefficient of friction to determine best glide and such and so forth"...... No he says "how the f--- do we get this airplane down now!" Good God folks he survived, or at least last time I checked he did . Monkey see, Monkey did! The END

 

[SDdriver]

AMEN Stlpilot!!!!

Gosh I should have just shut up and had you make my point for me!

SD

 

[flywithastick]

...and I'll be full flaps *if* I can make it to a decent landing location, and the smoke is still in the wires.

 

[A Squared]

OK Sddriver,

unbunch your panties and lay off your little hissy fit. OK?, Now, go back and read the thread, in particular, read your posts. Notice that it was you who introduced the subject of the use of terms, how they may be used and what is and isn’t correct. I was responding directly to questions you asked and statements that you made. Here’s the deal: If you don’t *like* discussions about the use of terms, don’t *start* discussions about the use of terms. OK, then, go back and re-read my post, notice that I didn’t say you didn’t know what you were talking about, I explained why *others* were saying you didn’t know what you were talking about. Don’t wonder about something in a post, then pitch a little tantrum when someone explains it.

Now, continuing the discussion that you started, and ignoring your juvenile ranting and raging, you ask what was incorrect about your statement; "REmember, the main use of flaps is to make the approach steeper without going faster, it says nothing about the actual speed at touchdown."

OK, remember, you asked, so don’t complain that someone is answering.
Inaccuracy #1: the main use of flaps is to make the approach steeper without going faster No, that is not the main use of flaps, Flaps are primarily to increase lift. If their "main use" was to steepen an approach, that could be much more easily accomplished with a simple speed brake (much simpler and easier to manufacture than flaps) Obviously, if their "main use" was to steepen an approach, they wouldn’t be extended on take-off.

Inaccuracy #2 "it says nothing about the actual speed at touchdown" No, actually the use of flaps "says"(sic) quite a bit about the speed at touchdown. In the airplane I fly, a no flap landing increases airspeeds about 20%. 20% isn’t "nothing" by any stretch of the imagination.

It is fascinating that you can insist that there is nothing incorrect about the statement, yet claim that you *do* understand that flaps decrease stall speed and touchdown speed...in the same paragraph even. I believe that psychologists refer to that as cognitive dissonance.

Regarding the AOA issue, remember, you were bemoaning the fact that singlecoil concluded that you didn’t understand what AOA is. I was responding to that by pointing out that if you use a term completely incorrectly, people *will* assume that you don’t understand it. Why you continue to insist that AOA can mean angle of descent, is beyond me. Let’s try to put in term you can understand: The word "engine" and the word "transmission" mean different things. If you go around talking about how you need to change the sparkplugs in your transmission, or that your engine won’t shift out of first gear, people are going to (understandably) conclude that you haven’t a clue how a car works. Now, the terms "angle of attack" and "angle of descent" are at *least* as different as "engine" and "transmission", if you use them interchangeably, people will assume you don’t know what you are talking about.

>>>>>"Look, I am not going to tell you that you don't know what the hell you are talking about or that you don't understand something just because you don't give a full detailed textbook description of it.

Ummmm, Yes, but, there is a vast difference between explaining only a part of something, and making incorrect statements. That distinction seems to be lost on you.

 

[Singlecoil]

Andy, you rock once again. Now I know why I don't swing a driver very well.

The funny thing is, all along this thread I have been saying this guy's actions can't be argued with. I was only arguing with people who were saying that a no-flap impact was a good technique. Of course best glide is established with no flaps, and a high pitch prop. However, ideally the impact should be as slow as possible, which would be with full flaps, and a low pitch prop.

 

[SDdriver]

Thanks A Squared,

You definantly showed me, wow my point was proven. I will get on back to the mental ward now.

See ya..

SD

 

[SDdriver]

BY the way,

A Squared,

You seem to do this to a lot of people on this board. You have a way of picking everything apart that a person says and then so over elegantly (like you are sitting there with a dictionary and a thesaurus) blast them over and over until you assume you have made your point. Well here it is, I don’t assume to know everything, I don’t assume that you agree with everything I say, I don’t assume anyone does for that matter. I post my comments here because that is what this place is for. Do I suffer from Cognitive Dissonance? I don’t know why don’t you ask Festinger. Do you suffer from some inadequacy that makes you feel that you need to pick everybody and what they say apart? Did your mommy not give you enough attention when you were a kid, or did daddy touch you where he wasn’t suppose to?

Did you notice that even though I may have not used the best WORDS to describe what I was saying, that a lot of people, most for that matter, understood. It was only you (as usual) and one other person that stepped in and started on me about m exact use of words. Like I said, from a search done, you seem to do this a lot. Are you trying to correct other people, because you were corrected to harshly in your childhood?

You speak as though you are sitting there looking up BIG and difficult words to put into your writing so that you can amaze and impress other readers, but really it comes out looking polished and foolish. Are you suffering from some inadequacy?

Maybe I shouldn’t have used the words I did so lightly, maybe in trying to say angle of decent I shouldn’t have referred to AOA. My mistake, I didn’t figure anyone was going to harp on it, but then again I forgot you were trolling the board.

To everyone on the thread, I apologize for not using the absolute correct terms so that it would not cause any confusion to any of you. I do think you all know what your talking about and I appreciate the chance to relay my opinion amongst all of you, even though I might not agree, I do respect all of your opinions.

A Squared, As far as ending my hissy fit, I will end it when I choose to unless you want to help me with that. I am sick and tired of watching you berrad people on threads. Why don’t you add to the topic of the thread not be the word and writing police ok. You are not fooling me with all of you fancy Latin terms and BIG words, to me it looks fake.

I am done on this thread and I appreciate the opinions of the OTHERS that contributed something to the thread besides a personal attack. A Squared, I would have I am sure appreciated yours also, but this I do not appreciate, so head off to another thread and make up for your loss in your childhood.


SD

 

[EOpilot]

AMEN Stlpilot!!!!

Gosh I should have just shut up and had you make my point for me!

Yes. You should have.

Did you notice that even though I may have not used the best WORDS to describe what I was saying, that a lot of people, most for that matter, understood. It was only you (as usual) and one other person that stepped in and started on me about m exact use of words.

The others were just ignoring you.

You are not fooling me with all of you fancy Latin terms and BIG words,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Darn city folk!

I am done on this thread

Doubtful.

SDdriver, A Squared only seems to be disliked by the people that he corrects. The rest of us are mostly just glad that someone knows what the h*ll they're talking about.

Here's a way to say it without all the fancy Latin words....

Talk out your @ss, expect to get it handed back to you.

AOA = angle of descent. Yeah we all knew what you were talking about.

 

[SDdriver]

Hey Finch, Go fist yourself...

 

[EOpilot]

Good comeback, Potsie.

 

[JJay]

If you would just remember to switch fuel tanks, chances are you wouldn't have to worry about a forced landing, with or without flaps.

http://www.adn.com/alaska/story/3611686p-3643657c.html

 

[WrightAvia]

Getting tanked in a Grumman...

For more comedy involving fuel selectors and a crash landing with a tank empty and tank with fuel present, try this link...

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20010308X00569&ntsbno=CHI01LA099&akey=1

"On arrival at the accident site, Dekalb County Illinois Sheriff deputies conducted a field blood alcohol test on the pilot. The results of the test showed the pilot having a blood alcohol level of 0.077. Later that afternoon, a second blood alcohol test was conducted on the pilot at the Dekalb County Sheriff Department, Sycamore, Illinois. The results of that test showed the pilot having a blood alcohol level of 0.08."