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rightrudder

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Jet With Fuselage Hole Lands in Seattle




Tuesday, December 27, 2005







(12-27) 20:42 PST SEATTLE, (AP) --
A 12-inch hole in the fuselage of an Alaska Airlines jet caused the plane to lose cabin pressure, forcing the pilots to make an emergency descent and return to the airport, authorities said Tuesday.

The incident Monday involved an MD-80 jet en route from Seattle to Burbank, Calif. The plane landed safely at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, and none of the 140 passengers was hurt.

A ramp worker acknowledged that he failed to report immediately striking the plane at the gate Monday with a baggage cart or baggage-belt machine, said Jim Struhsaker, a spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board.

The worker told the agency that although the vehicle touched the plane, he was not aware he had dented it, Struhsaker said.

The accident created a crease in the plane's aluminum skin, which opened up into a 12-by-6-inch gash as the jet came climbed to 26,000 feet, Struhsaker said.

The crew of Flight 536 reported a loss of cabin pressure about 20 minutes after takeoff, airline spokeswoman Caroline Boren said.

Oxygen masks deployed for passengers, and the plane made a rapid descent back toward the airport.

"I could feel that obviously my ears popping ... and then it got hard to breathe, and then, whoosh, all the compression in the plane was lost," passenger Jeremy Hermanns said.

The worker who damaged the jet was employed by Menzies Aviation, a British company under contract with the airline to provide baggage handling and other ramp services, Boren said.

Menzies did not immediately return a call seeking comment Tuesday night.

Meetings were being held with ramp workers to review safety procedures, including the "rapid and thorough reporting" of incidents on the ground, Boren said.

The plane was being repaired and should be back in service within a few days, she added.

Last May, the airline laid off nearly 500 baggage handlers and other ramp workers at the airport, saying it needed to trim costs amid rising fuel prices and fierce competition from low-cost carriers.
 
Well of course he couldn't report it. He had to go finish taggin' s**t with his sign before someone else got to it.
 
How will this ramper replace his coveted $5.25/hr. job...? :rolleyes: TC
 
AA717driver said:
How will this ramper replace his coveted $5.25/hr. job...? :rolleyes: TC
It's funny how money seems to be the focus regarding a causal factor.

IE; "People won't commit criminal acts on the job if you pay them more!"
 
I want to see exactly how this whole Menzies mistake is working out financially for the company. How much of this "$10 million annual savings" has been lost due to the sheer stupidity of these replacement workers?

F*$kin' Menzies :angryfire
 
The news last night said that in 2003 there were 13 ramp incidents, 2004, 14 incidents, and this year since Menzies came onboard, there have been 72!
 
dang.. 72?? It just a matter of time before we hear about a plane going down due to something stupid like this :mad:
 
Av8rPHX said:
dang.. 72?? It just a matter of time before we hear about a plane going down due to something stupid like this :mad:
Accept Jesus as your personal saviour and be guaranteed life everlasting, no matter what the rampies do to your plane.
 
Amen to that.


As long as it's not their blood, I guess that have short memories. Don't let the khaki pant, cardigan sweater, penny loafer wearing bunch fool you. They're ruthless, wreckless a-holes. Woe to him who gets between them and their greenbacks.
 
ferlo said:
Amen to that.


Woe to him who gets between them and their greenbacks.

Yeah. Like the FO that missed this on the preflight. Or the entire crew that didn't know they had been hit by a ground vehicle.
 
Flip Conroy said:
Yeah. Like the FO that missed this on the preflight. Or the entire crew that didn't know they had been hit by a ground vehicle.

Please refer to my response to your moronic post on this issue in the General forum.

Thank you.
 
Flip Conroy said:
Yeah. Like the FO that missed this on the preflight. Or the entire crew that didn't know they had been hit by a ground vehicle.
You work for Menzies, don't you?
 
These idiots have made our jobs much more difficult. Thank god we get to do those jobs for 22-34.3% less than we did before they were hired.
 
Those rampers smoke a lot of pot. This accident doesnt surpirse me. We need harvard grads pushing us back and slinging duffle bags into the belly of an RJ.
 
One minor note - Pot is for bored suburbian high school kids and "enlightened" college students of the same ilk. Crack, however, is favored by the big-city ramper set.
 
My solution for most rampers:

I like to leave the radar on. That way they'll never reproduce.

But what I really want to say is that I think Amish Rake Fight is the *BEST* user name of 2005.

That's frickin' hilarious.
 
mar said:
I like to leave the radar on. That way they'll never reproduce.

But what I really want to say is that I think Amish Rake Fight is the *BEST* user name of 2005.

That's frickin' hilarious.


Mar, you are one sick puppy. But I'm still laughing.
 
Flip Conroy said:
Yeah. Like the FO that missed this on the preflight. Or the entire crew that didn't know they had been hit by a ground vehicle.

What an irresponsible remark. We have no idea when the damage occurred. Preflights are usually done prior to baggage loading being completed. In many cases the jetway has been pulled back and the main cabin door is closed while the last bags are being loaded.

Sorry Flip but you get the idiot of the day award.

One thing about this incident is indisputable. The collision should have been reported as soon as it happened. $%#@ happens on the ramp. The replacement worker should have known his responsibilities.
 
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Looks like Mr. Conroy is not a commercial pilot. Profile doesn't claim it, but he definitely can't claim to be one now.
 
Sooo...

Alaska Airlines likes you and your bags so much they hire these bozos that not only can't do the job, they hide problems....

I'll fly'em. With carry on only.
 
FlyBoeingJets said:
Sooo...

Alaska Airlines likes you and your bags so much they hire these bozos that not only can't do the job, they hide problems....

I'll fly'em. With carry on only.

Statements like that make me embarassed to be working for this corporation.....
 
I'm not embarassed...I'm pi$$ed...Can't wait to read the company spin on the incident in the company toliet paper! I truely wonder if this attention will really solve anything in this company or do we have to wait for another accident to occur before the Anglers actually do something...

We now have a "VP of Customer Experience"...Where was he when all this went down???
 
QXpeon said:
Statements like that make me embarassed to be working for this corporation.....

Seriously now,

I hope you guys get better rampers. Management may be learning that cutting too much yields problems, not savings.

I am just angry that our lives may be in the hands of goofball rampers.
 
I like the idea that the union came out with about doing a walk around after all doors are closed and ready to push. The only problem is I am not getting paid to do the rampers job. To solve this problem I will do my normal preflight when all doors, except L1, are closed and walk around is complete. Since this happens at departure time I guess we will be taking a 10 min. crew delay on every trip I fly. I will fly safe, I will NOT enable those idiots. Does anyone over there remember 261?
 
Here is an option:
CSA is ready to close L1 door, tell him/her to stand by.
Establish communications with ramp thru headset.
Release brakes.
Proceed with second walk around while on the clock.
 
Just realised that L1 door must be closed prior to brake release the above option will not work.
How about a pay adjustment form?
 

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