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Alaska continues the pressure on Virgin America

turbodriver

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Gee....

Instead of begging for public support (which will never happen because we all know how the public feels about the airline industry) it'd be nice if Alaska mgmt decided to stop giving away market share with every uncontrollable burp in the marketplace. How about deciding to directly compete with Virgin? Furloughing pilots when you have the chief pilot putting out memos begging you to work on weekends isn't the best way to compete with a direct competitor. If management kept all the pilots (and everyone else for that matter) online like they did after 9/11 we all would've bent over backward to give Virgin the shaft and send them packing out of our markets. Now, I'll never bend over backward for this airline and I think I can safely speak for my other 59 colleagues.
 

turbodriver

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Point taken, and it doesn't help when the union is helping mgmt to bend us forward as well......
 

RDG

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I just flew first class on United to Alaska and then back home again on Alaska and Continental. Yes, I paid full fare for the tickets. You're welcome. Of the three, Alaska stood out above the other two. Friendly flight attendants and great food. Cu-dos. You got a great airline there.
 

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"I just flew first class on United to Alaska"

When did United start flying to Alaska again?
 

CesnaCaptn

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Gee....

Instead of begging for public support (which will never happen because we all know how the public feels about the airline industry) it'd be nice if Alaska mgmt decided to stop giving away market share with every uncontrollable burp in the marketplace. How about deciding to directly compete with Virgin? Furloughing pilots when you have the chief pilot putting out memos begging you to work on weekends isn't the best way to compete with a direct competitor. If management kept all the pilots (and everyone else for that matter) online like they did after 9/11 we all would've bent over backward to give Virgin the shaft and send them packing out of our markets. Now, I'll never bend over backward for this airline and I think I can safely speak for my other 59 colleagues.

What do you suggest management does to compete with VX? I'm not trying to be fecicious. I really do want to know what ideas people have. I realize it was a big mistake to staff the airline the way they do, and I completely agree that we shouldn't have furloughed.

I disagree that Alaska isn't competing. We already have 10+ flights/day on SEA-LAX compared to their 3 (reduced from 4 already), plus the option to fly from SEA to LAX, SNA, LGB, BUR or ONT (you can even standby the same day for any of the 5 socal airports). We match their prices and scheduled our flights to depart either on the hour or half hour. We improved our first class meals and snacks from bad to not as bad. Oh, and we also add revenue to our flights by codesharing with AA, DL, OZ, QF, KE, LA...am I forgetting anyone else?

P.S.

I'm totally POed that VX continues to operate with shady ownership. I also wonder how long a company can operate with a -30%+ profit margin.
 

The Victors

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What do you suggest management does to compete with VX? I'm not trying to be fecicious. I really do want to know what ideas people have. I realize it was a big mistake to staff the airline the way they do, and I completely agree that we shouldn't have furloughed.

I disagree that Alaska isn't competing. We already have 10+ flights/day on SEA-LAX compared to their 3 (reduced from 4 already), plus the option to fly from SEA to LAX, SNA, LGB, BUR or ONT (you can even standby the same day for any of the 5 socal airports). We match their prices and scheduled our flights to depart either on the hour or half hour. We improved our first class meals and snacks from bad to not as bad. Oh, and we also add revenue to our flights by codesharing with AA, DL, OZ, QF, KE, LA...am I forgetting anyone else?

P.S.

I'm totally POed that VX continues to operate with shady ownership. I also wonder how long a company can operate with a -30%+ profit margin.

as long as branson wants to throw his money at it
 

RDG

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It was United to Vancouver. Cruise for a week. 4 days at Denali. Fly home from Alaska changing to Continental in Seattle. Accuracy is key around here.
 

noperf

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Ouch. I left an m out of remember.

Continental West- Something like this. Lorenzo was trying to bring 737-300's, as I recall, to New York Air. For whatever reason, the entire Texas Air mess is to convoluted for this post, but couldn't do it. His answer was to optain a certificate for a new carrier called Continental West. My point regarding Alaska is that the management at the time used this potential increased competition as a negotiating tactic.

Markair is a little less convoluted but they were also used, in my opinion, much the same way.

Ditto Southwest. Interestingly enough the FA's signed a last minute deal, amidst CHAOS, to sign a contract copied, or modeled perhaps, based on the SWA FA contract. Subsequently the Pilots signed a contract with minimal pay increases.

Read between the lines all you want.
 
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