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According to the latest information that we have in the training department, the bid will include about 10 positions to be filled this fall by new hires in addition to the other positions on the bid. We also hear that we can expect about 30 new hires altogether, but the remainder will be for the first part of next year so as to be on line by June 1.
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Sept. 12th sounds reasonable. This bid (that isn't out on Monday morning) could conceivably be awarded before then. The way it works is current pilots will have the opportunity (if they aren't on freeze) to bid for any posted positions, then new hires will fill in the vacancies left either by unbid positions or by a pilot changing bases/aircraft.
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Relax fellas, it's all good. The bid will come, you can't make it come any faster by worrying about it.
My prediction (based on 3 plus months of ANC rumors) is for 10 new captains and 10 new F/O's on the ANC 4/7/8/9. ZERO reductions on the ANC 200. That equals growth, which will require NEW HIRES, which will get some seriously waterlogged pilots the heck out of the pool. If the bid is anything less than the above mentioned, I will wear yuppy shoes with "tassles" to Barrow next week (after I go buy a pair). Anyone who knows ANC 200 pilots knows that you don't set foot on the flight deck without your cowboy boots on - unless you are wearing your hip boots - but that is a different story all together... so trust me - the bid will come and it will be AOK.
On a side note - do you know how many ANC 200 pilots it takes to change a cockpit light bulb? All of them. One to change the bulb, and the rest to talk about how good the old one was.
Poolies - we will see you soon. Welcome aboard, your dedication to the back stroke is duely noted.
AK737FO
Relax fellas, it's all good. The bid will come, you can't make it come any faster by worrying about it.
My prediction (based on 3 plus months of ANC rumors) is for 10 new captains and 10 new F/O's on the ANC 4/7/8/9. ZERO reductions on the ANC 200. That equals growth, which will require NEW HIRES, which will get some seriously waterlogged pilots the heck out of the pool. If the bid is anything less than the above mentioned, I will wear yuppy shoes with "tassles" to Barrow next week (after I go buy a pair). Anyone who knows ANC 200 pilots knows that you don't set foot on the flight deck without your cowboy boots on - unless you are wearing your hip boots - but that is a different story all together... so trust me - the bid will come and it will be AOK.
On a side note - do you know how many ANC 200 pilots it takes to change a cockpit light bulb? All of them. One to change the bulb, and the rest to talk about how good the old one was.
Poolies - we will see you soon. Welcome aboard, your dedication to the back stroke is duely noted.
AK737FO
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Anc
Tough to get up to ANC these days. I've been trying to no avail for 2 years. Very senior. However, whenever the mystery bid drops it should relieve a good chunk of the pressure, as it's gonna increase the base size. There's no "pool" per se for ANC but there are a lot of dudes on the property waiting anxiously for "the bid".
Tough to get up to ANC these days. I've been trying to no avail for 2 years. Very senior. However, whenever the mystery bid drops it should relieve a good chunk of the pressure, as it's gonna increase the base size. There's no "pool" per se for ANC but there are a lot of dudes on the property waiting anxiously for "the bid".
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ALPA news on bid
"""ASap 8-11-04: Dutch Harbor agreement reached
The Association reached an agreement with Alaska Airlines today
regarding ALPA Grievance number ALA 17-04GG, which asserted that Alaska
violated Sections 1.B.1 and 1.B.2 (Scope) of the CBA with regard to Pen
Air's operation of Alaska-marketed passenger and cargo air
transportation between ANC and DUT. Alaska denied any violation of the
CBA with respect to this grievance.
Without an admission on either side, the parties resolved their
differences on this grievance by reaching the following agreement:
Alaska will post a pilot bid on August 13, 2004, with a bid effective
date of March 2, 2005. The bid will increase the pilot count in the
ANC
pilot base(s) by at least ten (10) pilot crews over the number of pilot
crews in ANC as of July 1, 2004 (64 CAs, 57 FOs).
By the terms of the settlement, this increase will not have the effect
of reducing staffing at LAX or SEA."""
"""ASap 8-11-04: Dutch Harbor agreement reached
The Association reached an agreement with Alaska Airlines today
regarding ALPA Grievance number ALA 17-04GG, which asserted that Alaska
violated Sections 1.B.1 and 1.B.2 (Scope) of the CBA with regard to Pen
Air's operation of Alaska-marketed passenger and cargo air
transportation between ANC and DUT. Alaska denied any violation of the
CBA with respect to this grievance.
Without an admission on either side, the parties resolved their
differences on this grievance by reaching the following agreement:
Alaska will post a pilot bid on August 13, 2004, with a bid effective
date of March 2, 2005. The bid will increase the pilot count in the
ANC
pilot base(s) by at least ten (10) pilot crews over the number of pilot
crews in ANC as of July 1, 2004 (64 CAs, 57 FOs).
By the terms of the settlement, this increase will not have the effect
of reducing staffing at LAX or SEA."""
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Let's hope that is enough to get all that want to come to ANC up here. Maybe 5 or so of those Captain slots would go to current ANC FO's, yielding a total of about 15 slots for people to move north? Does that sound right? 4 got kicked out July 1st, and I think there have been 6-8 of us doing the commute, so that should be enough.
They can't reduce any base, so that means 20 new hires to fill those slots? Congrats to the poolies!
They can't reduce any base, so that means 20 new hires to fill those slots? Congrats to the poolies!
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Only 5?
You think only 5 ANC 200 F/O's will slide over to a ANC 400 CA seat? Why so low? What are you hearing down south? Take a look at how senior some of those F/O's are. The top 13 are #830 or better. I do know that the top 4 f/o's are not going anywhere, as the top 3 are f/o's for life and #4 just enjoys being senior to much.
I predict that 2 to 4 of our 200 captains go over to keep doing southeast flying and to try a new jet. 5 to 7 of our 200 F/O's will go over, and maybe one or two Captains from SEA will come up.
The end result should be that anyone who wants ANC will be able to come up. The 400 F/O seat will be junior in base. They will end up training 2 to 4 new 200 Captains - something I doubt the company wants to see. Originally I think they wanted to slowly retire the 200 and as each plane left for the bone yard they would put out a bid to slide those crews to the 400 - leaving virtually no future training on the 200. Now it seems that guys will go over for the 400 combi, which will soon leave them short of 200 captains.
You think only 5 ANC 200 F/O's will slide over to a ANC 400 CA seat? Why so low? What are you hearing down south? Take a look at how senior some of those F/O's are. The top 13 are #830 or better. I do know that the top 4 f/o's are not going anywhere, as the top 3 are f/o's for life and #4 just enjoys being senior to much.
I predict that 2 to 4 of our 200 captains go over to keep doing southeast flying and to try a new jet. 5 to 7 of our 200 F/O's will go over, and maybe one or two Captains from SEA will come up.
The end result should be that anyone who wants ANC will be able to come up. The 400 F/O seat will be junior in base. They will end up training 2 to 4 new 200 Captains - something I doubt the company wants to see. Originally I think they wanted to slowly retire the 200 and as each plane left for the bone yard they would put out a bid to slide those crews to the 400 - leaving virtually no future training on the 200. Now it seems that guys will go over for the 400 combi, which will soon leave them short of 200 captains.
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I agree with you. I was surprised to see something so huge as the Dutch Harbor scope being given up in exchange for something the company was going to do anyway. I guess the Seattle folks were afraid of getting forced to ANC, but I don't think for a minute the company wanted to pay for those moves. That's why they opened the 400 base in ANC with only 10 crews in the first place. After six months, or 1/1/05, they can make it as big as they want without having to pay for moves unless people are displaced.ferlo said:
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