Alaska Airlines Prepares to Strike

[Hamburger]

They cannot say "Fly the contract". If there is any change to "Status Quo" at all, we will loose. I don't like this, I am just pointing to recent events.http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cach...4168+"1:08-cv-04317"&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

Once you threaten to furlough. There is no longer a status quo.

If flying the contract causes management some sort of problem, then they should agree to a different contract.

 

[Singlecoil]

I too find it interesting that the mediator has made statements that put pressure on the company.
Mediators are in essence political animals. They are appointed by politicians and expected to act a certain way, but they always need to have one toe on the line in the center. Perhaps we are being used by the mediator, and the members of the NMB that would like to stay in the profession after Bush leaves office, to demonstrate that they aren't just lackeys for management. Personally, I could care less as long as they take my side, but if you look at that aspect of it, there is another reason for them to act in our favor. They want to be seen to take more than one side in different issues like our ol' buddy Dick Kasher. They may be vehement anti-union types but at some point they have to take the other side if they want to ever be arbitrators. If we happen to be the ones who are on the plus side of that equation, so be it.
Anything that tips the lever toward my goal I will take.

 

[tico]

We can not do this. Precedence has been set. UAL ALPA just got slapped with a Court injunction for this type of action. Their web board was shutdown and used against them in court. ALPA actually has the legal responsibility to ensure there is no increase in sick time, fatigue calls, maintenance write ups, fuel usage. They cannot say "Fly the contract". If there is any change to "Status Quo" at all, we will loose. I don't like this, I am just pointing to recent events.

"This court injunction will help you understand why ALPA is acting like it is. They cannot instigate any of this, in fact they must discourage it."



Pound sand Green Banana. As an individual free man you can do anything that your ballz allow....That is our problem....A bunch of scared little silver spooners afraid of their own shadows....Dont hurt me or I might not be able to live in SEA......Grow up and grow a pair...Alpa can say all they want but they have no control over us....We need to be causing ALPA every day to beg us to not misbehave......EFF em I say...Lets take some of our own hostages...........

Oh yea EFF the court and that judge....she needs to look over her shoulder

 

[Going2Baja]

Question to all:

What happens to a pilot group that is out on strike and the company gets bought? Does the buying airlines pilot's get our aircraft and routes and is there any SLI?

Hmmmmmnnnnnnnn??????

Baja.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

The union can't publicly endorse a work to rule campaign and might even be bullied into making a public statement discouraging one, but it damn sure can't compel any individual pilot to do anything other than work to rule. People either get it or they don't.

 

[alaskaplt]

Question to all:

What happens to a pilot group that is out on strike and the company gets bought? Does the buying airlines pilot's get our aircraft and routes and is there any SLI?

Hmmmmmnnnnnnnn??????

Baja.

I've been wondering that as well. Seems uncharted territory.

 

[Green Banana]

Anger Management?

Pound sand Green Banana. As an individual free man you can do anything that your ballz allow....That is our problem....A bunch of scared little silver spooners afraid of their own shadows....Dont hurt me or I might not be able to live in SEA......Grow up and grow a pair...Alpa can say all they want but they have no control over us....We need to be causing ALPA every day to beg us to not misbehave......EFF em I say...Lets take some of our own hostages...........

Oh yea EFF the court and that judge....she needs to look over her shoulder

Relax Francis, I am just telling you what has happened at other carriers recently and the ramifications of actions. As I posted, this explains ALPA's silent stance. This was not in any way meant to overshadow your manly chest thumping.

 

[Chief Pilot]

Question to all:

What happens to a pilot group that is out on strike and the company gets bought? Does the buying airlines pilot's get our aircraft and routes and is there any SLI?

Hmmmmmnnnnnnnn??????

Baja.

If you are referring to a possible DAL buyout during a strike by ALK pilots, I'm pretty sure DAL ALPA would and should refuse to fly struck work. Good question, but one I'm not going to lose sleep over when voting yes to a strike.

 

[AKMD80GUY]

Just remember with issues dealing with ALPA National. ALPA National looks out for ALPA National. We are too small to get the same reaction that UAL got. We have been too small to get a lot of the support that we need. That's just the business side. They put the bulk of their resources where it will do the most, good or bad, and that isn't us. We are only getting the attention now because we are first out of the shoot.

I'm not bashing ALPA here. I'm a volunteer on a few committees but I'm also a realist and have seen how this all works. My point is is that we have to stick up for each other. Don't fly sick. Don't fly fatigued. Don't fly more than 75 hours and for Gods sake don't ever VSA with a furlough or even the threat of one.

I was also thinking about taking Inauguration day off to show support for our new labor friendly President. What better way for all of us, ALPA, APA, SWAPA etc...pilots to show support on this day. Can you imagine traveling by air on a day where all pilots were doing something constructive other than moving metal. I can and I'll bet it would be a mess.

 

[inline]

Just remember with issues dealing with ALPA National. ALPA National looks out for ALPA National. We are too small to get the same reaction that UAL got. We have been too small to get a lot of the support that we need. That's just the business side. They put the bulk of their resources where it will do the most, good or bad, and that isn't us. We are only getting the attention now because we are first out of the shoot.

I'm not bashing ALPA here. I'm a volunteer on a few committees but I'm also a realist and have seen how this all works. My point is is that we have to stick up for each other. Don't fly sick. Don't fly fatigued. Don't fly more than 75 hours and for Gods sake don't ever VSA with a furlough or even the threat of one.

I was also thinking about taking Inauguration day off to show support for our new labor friendly President. What better way for all of us, ALPA, APA, SWAPA etc...pilots to show support on this day. Can you imagine traveling by air on a day where all pilots were doing something constructive other than moving metal. I can and I'll bet it would be a mess.

Are you going to then attend worship services for your prophet? You lberals have annointed this lying fraud the new and improved J.C., God help us ( pardon the pun) this fraud is president elect.

 

[AKMD80GUY]

Easy ther Inline. I voted McCain not to stir up the past election here. Read between the lines about taking a well deserved day off. Do I need to spell it out for ya?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Pound sand Green Banana. As an individual free man you can do anything that your ballz allow....That is our problem....A bunch of scared little silver spooners afraid of their own shadows....Dont hurt me or I might not be able to live in SEA......Grow up and grow a pair...Alpa can say all they want but they have no control over us....We need to be causing ALPA every day to beg us to not misbehave......EFF em I say...Lets take some of our own hostages...........

Oh yea EFF the court and that judge....she needs to look over her shoulder

No no, Tico! We must remember...The Nail That Sticks Up Gets Hammered Down.

 

[clippyrip]

If you are referring to a possible DAL buyout during a strike by ALK pilots, I'm pretty sure DAL ALPA would and should refuse to fly struck work. Good question, but one I'm not going to lose sleep over when voting yes to a strike.

If a merger did happen it would be a while before there was a single operating certificate. Only AK Air pilots could be responsible for that work until then. The above threat is nonexistent.

 

[Fubijaakr]

AKMD guy said it all. The MEC can't even appear to endorse ANY kind of action that would violate the "status quo." APA did that and it cost 'em $44M.

But, there's not a single thing wrong with operating in accordance with FAA and Company rules.

Its just plain too risky to fly sick or fatigued. On top of risking medical problems down the line (I knew a guy in the military who ended up NPQ because he flew with a head cold) its simply rude to expose your crew and passengers to your illness.

 

[clippyrip]

Its just plain too risky to fly sick or fatigued. On top of risking medical problems down the line (I knew a guy in the military who ended up NPQ because he flew with a head cold) its simply rude to expose your crew and passengers to your illness.

Agreed! You would not want your vacation time to gather dust and get stale either.