Airtran vs Delta = Pissing contest!

[SkiFishFly]

Maybe it's the reputation of Airtran pilots being idiots like yourself, Flotuence 717.

I know Einstein and you are no Einstein...

 

[j41driver]

Airtran blah blah. Doesn't mean it is completely true but.......

Perhaps people are confusing AirTran with Southwest?

 

[MemTrash]

Memtrash,

an LLC is a Limited Liability Corporation...With your great big Fedex paycheck..Buy a clue won't ya.

RV

Wow, now why get personal?
After working for Delta through college and my flight training and then working for ASA I feel bad for the way my dream job has become comparable to a LCC. Until 911 you never heard of one of the Legacy Airlines being compared to SWA or any other newer airline. It was just a sad note about days gone by. Why you mention my "Big" check I'll never know. Perhaps you have doctor wife/boyfriend and just love flying for the fun of it. I'm sure you have it much better than I do and probably better than a lot of the guys on here. Sorry about the acronym blunder. I've been setting up an LLC for a farm I bought with my "big check" and had a brain fart. Sorry to have hit such a nerve in your insecure heart.

 

[j41driver]

J41,

What aircraft is that in your avtar? It has the tail of a 717, but looks like it is the fuselage length of a Dc-9-10.


AA

It's a 717 that's been photo chopped. I thought it was kinda funny...maybe I'm alone in that.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

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That sentance doesn't sound right to me....

 

[Eagleflip]

Moderator Input

Ok boys--can we stop the personal attacks and go back to the topic at hand?

Please?

 

[Jonny Sacko]

It's a 717 that's been photo chopped. I thought it was kinda funny...maybe I'm alone in that.

Ya, it doesn't show as well as the RJ one. That was good humor, but much smaller planes, and while we're at it, why the change back to the Momma Do?

 

[twepilot]

Insecure heart? Now really....Your posts continue to look down your nose at the discount air carriers which is a bit offensive to me. Why must you be so arrogant and condescending? And yes I do love my job and flying as well. And currently, in my opinion, I am being fairly compensated for my skills.

RV

 

[doh]

When I see Joe Leonard's name in print I can't help but think of the forklift incident. People died you know. If you have been flying a long time (18 years), you don't let go of senseless acts that result in deaths. When that person is a CEO, the company name is a little tarnished. I am not flameing or putting individual pilots down. I have several friends at Airtran and one really good friend who just finished the interview. I am merely trying to explain what a reputation is and how long people remember someone like "Forklift Joe".

 

[NEDude]

Not trying to fan the flames here. But a lot of people don't know about "forklift Joe".

Basically Joe Leonard, now the CEO of AirTran, was the director (? - at least in some supervisory position) of MX at American back in the late '70s. He developed a procedure using a forklift to change engines of the DC-10. This procedure was not approved by the FAA or McDD, however it became common use at many DC-10 operators.

On May 25, 1979, American Airlines flight 191 crashed on takeoff from ORD, killing 271 people on the airplane, and two people on the ground.


From Wikipedia: "The resulting investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) was released on December 21, 1979. It revealed the probable cause to be attributable to damage to the left wing engine pylon that occurred during an earlier engine change at American's aircraft overhaul facility in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The pylon was damaged due to an incorrectly executed engine removal procedure. The correct procedure called for removal of the engine prior to the removal of the engine pylon. To save time and costs, American Airlines instructed its mechanics to remove the engine together with the pylon all at one time. A large fork lift was used to hold the engine up while it was detached from the wing. During the procedure a crew shift change occurred, leaving the fork lift unmonitored for a period of time. A problem in the fork lift's hydraulic system caused it to tilt the engine while still under the wing. This exerted enough pressure on the engine pylon to create a large indentation and a serious fracture in its body. The fracture went unnoticed for several flights, getting worse with each flight that the plane had taken. During flight 191's takeoff, enough force was generated to finally cause the pylon to fail. With the failure the left engine detached from under the wing and tore away. With the loss of the engine and the position of the slats, the plane was destined for disaster. The NTSB concluded that given the circumstances of the situation, the pilots were not in any way to blame for the resulting accident."

 

[Kharma Police]

Its interesting that you associate Joe Leonard as solely responsible for the tragic 191 disaster. Following the accident and the subsequent grounding of the DC-10 fleet, similar hair-line cracks were found on two Continental DC-10s. I don’t in any way justify AAs maintenance procedures and the subsequent “loss” of key documents related to the practices, but why don’t you do a little research before pointing fingers.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

I don't know why our management did that. We were just asking to get eggs thrown at us. ASA lost 216,000 bags last year alone, and that counts for our numbers too. And it seems we do have an oversell problem, and when everyone shows up, we need to pay those extra people off--sometimes with $400-500 worth of free tickets. Grrrrreat.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Exactly why did you bring that up? The article said 'Delta' including ASA and CMR. Did it just say "ASA LOST 216,000 BAGS, BUT DELTA AND COMAIR SURE GOT THEIR BAGS TO THEIR DESTINATIONS" As I have said on here before, as we are taxiing out it is DELTA TUGS that are waving at me to stop so they can put on THEIR bags.
Sorry but you need to get out of the car and face reality sometimes. Yeah we lost bags, so what? If you can tell me DELTA and Comair were perfect then you have a case.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Its interesting that you associate Joe Leonard as solely responsible for the tragic 191 disaster. Following the accident and the subsequent grounding of the DC-10 fleet, similar hair-line cracks were found on two Continental DC-10s. I don’t in any way justify AAs maintenance procedures and the subsequent “loss” of key documents related to the practices, but why don’t you do a little research before pointing fingers.

Nobody said he was "solely" responsible. He was in charge...that's all. He was the one responsible for the priorities set by his department. He's the one who put pressure on the people in his department doing the work. Was saving time and money given too high a priority in his department? You and I weren't there, so we can't speak to that. The NTSB found their procedures at fault, and he was responsible for those procdures. That much is not open for discussion.

He might be a perfect fit for AirTran, and lead them to future growth and success. That would be nice. But that's not the way it was for the last few airlines he worked for.

 

[bestpilot]

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I have'nt see or heard anything in my 6 years that I would consider "a dangerous act or unsafe operation"

Naw Bro, I be hearin stories abouts you on dem overnights! Them things sounds like "dangerous acts and unsafe ops" to me, my brother from another mother.

Like my ole buddy Forrest, Forrest Gump done told me and Bubba---Momma always said, "put a helmut on dat head, cause you never know what you're gonna get!"

 

[j41driver]

why the change back to the Momma Do?

I realized that I just didn't like that POS CRJ. A moment of silence for the DoJet please...oh, sorry...wrong board.

 

[Blucher]

If your going to flame or try to flame someone or something you really should be accurate with your statements. Lest you look even more foolish than the argument that your trying to make. As far as me being jealous or envious...get real bro.

RV

Twepilot,
I like the way you prove your point by making a similar mistake. I assume you know the difference between "your" and "you're.":erm:

-Blucher

 

[-9Capt]

The poor guy is ex-trans states, hasn't he suffered enough?

 

[twepilot]

Whooops...got me on that one Blucher...But I'm still not trying to belittle anyone here unlike some of our other posters.

RV

 

[twepilot]

Frank Was Right!!!!!!

Rv

 

[-9Capt]

Hulas was was a prick!!