Airtran strike vote

[Ty Webb]

(actually, the NPA gave AWAY a lot of things... ALPA has stopped that wholesale give-back).

Actually, ALPA didn't stop the giveaways, the Pilot Group stopped the giveaways, by petitioning for and then passing an amendment to the C&BL requiring a vote of the membership for practically all LOA's . . . . that found its way into the ALPA policy manual.

 

[JerryLundegaard]

...Because of that, there's no way to see how the "senior block" votes, except to see the voting numbers as a whole and knowing the demographic in general. I'm personally expecting a 92-95% Yes vote in favor of a legal strike.

Hope it doesn't become necessary, but I'm betting it will...

That's what I thought, and why I was asking Rez about it. Didn't make any sense.

You're betting it will be necessary to strike? How long do you think it would have to go on for (days? weeks? longer?).

 

[Lear70]

You're betting it will be necessary to strike? How long do you think it would have to go on for (days? weeks? longer?).

No one can know for certain, and a lot depends on how far apart we are if/when the last-minute negotiating session fails in the midnight hours...

Unfortunately, this is the corner the pilots have been forced into.

Unfortunately, the RLA has no other viable alternatives to self-help. You can't FORCE management to give you an industry-average pay rate and working conditions.

No one WANTS to strike, but if that's what has to be done,,,

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Actually, ALPA didn't stop the giveaways, the Pilot Group stopped the giveaways, by petitioning for and then passing an amendment to the C&BL requiring a vote of the membership for practically all LOA's . . . . that found its way into the ALPA policy manual.

What C&BL was that?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Would that divulge the voters' identities? Is it a secret ballot?

Not sure if the ballotpoint allows for the de-indentification of demographics.... you might be right...

 

[Lear70]

What C&BL was that?

The previous National Pilot's Association C&BL's were amended back in December(ish) of 2008 to require MemRat of ANY LOA or MOU. It hamstrung the then-Board of Directors of the union to give away any more of our contract like they had been doing prior to that.

It was around that same time that the ALPA drive geared up as well, which was passed in March of '09 with a May '09 implementation date.

With that implementation there was an additional ground-swell of concern from the pilots that MemRat go with it, so it was put into the local policy manual. There are still some MOU's being inked, but they are, for the most part, not concessionary in nature like they were in the last 2 years of being under the NPA auspices.

 

[JerryLundegaard]

No one can know for certain, and a lot depends on how far apart we are if/when the last-minute negotiating session fails in the midnight hours...

Unfortunately, this is the corner the pilots have been forced into.

Unfortunately, the RLA has no other viable alternatives to self-help. You can't FORCE management to give you an industry-average pay rate and working conditions.

No one WANTS to strike, but if that's what has to be done,,,

Is the company presently employing professional negotiators, or sending in people to the table who work for AAI and have something at stake, like the pilots do?

 

[Lear70]

Is the company presently employing professional negotiators, or sending in people to the table who work for AAI and have something at stake, like the pilots do?

First, with ALPA involved, we have professional negotiators working right alongside the NC at the table.

Second, Steve Kolski IS a professional negotiator. He's been doing this for over 35 years and is very, very good at his job.

It's just business for them. Unfortunately, in doing that business, it ruins lives and alienates employee groups for decades to come. I think that's an outdated business model for employee relations, but then again, I don't have an MBA and have never run a company with more than 30 employees, so what do I know...

 

[JerryLundegaard]

I can only imagine what the industrial relations courses at Harvard, Yale and Princeton have been teaching the past 20 years to get the corporate environment in this country to where it is today.

 

[400ADude]

What are Harvard, Yale and Princeton doing in a Critter thread?

 

[airline#5]

CEO is a Harvard grad.

 

[jonjuan]

What are Harvard, Yale and Princeton doing in a Critter thread?

Airtran is the Harvard of the LCCs?

 

[HalinTexas]

Pres. BA graduated from Harvard Law. Undergrad, Columbia U. Lots of Ivy League in the WH and in control of Congress.

 

[Lear70]

CEO is a Harvard grad.

400ADude is obviously not.

Hence the inability to process the change of callsign and the nearly-COMPLETE change of management since the VJ days.

 

[Ty Webb]

400ADude is obviously not.

That's an understatement.

For the love of God, would some village step up and claim his sorry @ss already?

 

[Colonel Savage]

What village would want to?

 

[DonVerita]

What are Harvard, Yale and Princeton doing in a Critter thread?

The question should be: What are you doing on the Majors forum?

Go back to pulling the legs off spiders, chasing down ants on the sidewalk with a magnifying glass or playing your Nintendo DS. Nobody on here cares about a word you say. You have zero street cred.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Be sure you guys are ready to walk the walk.

Every pilot should have at least 2 months expenses in some kind of liquid investment. 3 would be better. "Back to work" issues take a WHILE to settle,

When the strike happens, you'll have guys calling in the first day begging you to settle it and get back to work. These nitwits goon up the whole works.

Plan ahead, or plan to fail.

Good luck to all my Tranny bros!

Nu

 

[slaquer5]

The question should be: What are you doing on the Majors forum?

Go back to pulling the legs off spiders, chasing down ants on the sidewalk with a magnifying glass or playing your Nintendo DS. Nobody on here cares about a word you say. You have zero street cred.

Brought back a lot of good memories, would love go back in time....

 

[Dan Roman]

How did HALPA do this last round? HALPA has less than 500 pilots.

Hawaiian did very well, approx 22% over 58 months I believe is the figure. Some minor retirement gains and some small concessions to the company that help them.

It passed by, I believe, by fairly close to 90%. It was thanks to ALPA and their resources we did as well as we did.

We were in the same boat as you guys, the company was profitable and management unwilling to budge. I credit the pilots solidarity (98% strike vote)and lack of infighting, the NMB under the Obama administration and the invaluable support of ALPA for our gains. It's a long process and don't believe the rumors that will be floating around, stand behind your MEC and I'm guessing you will be happy with the end result.