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Airtran SCH assigns all open time

scarlet

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Sch. assigns all the open time for the rest of Sept. to reserves. I thought they could not assign anything outside of 48 hours??

So basically the reserves got a relief line... I tried to pick up trips and were told no many times, which I lost money on. Now they are giving trips away so line holders can not trade, or captains are picking up right seat trips...like Capt. Dave B.

Cpt. Dave B. was going to pick up a trip in HPN, gave up his seat (DH) in the aircraft to get other person on, and the capt. denied him the J/S to go fly as FO..they left him behind!!! I love it...
 

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Sch. assigns all the open time for the rest of Sept. to reserves. I thought they could not assign anything outside of 48 hours??

So basically the reserves got a relief line... I tried to pick up trips and were told no many times, which I lost money on. Now they are giving trips away so line holders can not trade, or captains are picking up right seat trips...like Capt. Dave B.

Cpt. Dave B. was going to pick up a trip in HPN, gave up his seat (DH) in the aircraft to get other person on, and the capt. denied him the J/S to go fly as FO..they left him behind!!! I love it...
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but, aren't you trying to pick up open time too.
 

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Per the Contract on page 20-11

the company will allow pilots to pick up open time up to 48 hrs prior to the assignment and then cover any open flying with reserve pilots. The company can also assign reserve pilots prior to 48 hrs. of a duty assignment if it deems necessary due pilot coverage

it was a fight that was given away long ago
 

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Sch. assigns all the open time for the rest of Sept. to reserves. I thought they could not assign anything outside of 48 hours??

So basically the reserves got a relief line... I tried to pick up trips and were told no many times, which I lost money on. Now they are giving trips away so line holders can not trade, or captains are picking up right seat trips...like Capt. Dave B.

Cpt. Dave B. was going to pick up a trip in HPN, gave up his seat (DH) in the aircraft to get other person on, and the capt. denied him the J/S to go fly as FO..they left him behind!!! I love it...

So let me get this straight, this thoughtful CA was JS himself to not only pick up open time with guys on the street, but right seat open time at that? I can't say that I feel sorry for his behind being left.

Every CA or FO that loads up on open time while there's furloughs should be pin pointed. It's a double whammy when it is a CA picking up right seat time though. I wonder what his background is......
 

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there are lots of words to describe people like that and a special place for them. none of which can be talked about here. I know that the union can't tell you not to, but the union can remind them that there are brothers and sisters on the street and to KEEP THEM IN MIND WHEN FLYING OR CONSIDERING TRIPS. There's a reason that greed and gluttony are part of the seven deadly sins.
 
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Sch. assigns all the open time for the rest of Sept. to reserves. I thought they could not assign anything outside of 48 hours??

So basically the reserves got a relief line... I tried to pick up trips and were told no many times, which I lost money on. Now they are giving trips away so line holders can not trade, or captains are picking up right seat trips...like Capt. Dave B.

Cpt. Dave B. was going to pick up a trip in HPN, gave up his seat (DH) in the aircraft to get other person on, and the capt. denied him the J/S to go fly as FO..they left him behind!!! I love it...

That is pretty hypocritical of you to bash someone for something you are trying to do. Way to go. Glad to see people looking out for us furloughed guys. I can't wait to see you guys give up the farm to keep your jobs when the company comes calling on Wednesday.
 

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Hey I am on the street too --I tried to pick up trips within the 24 hours of checkin, and was told no in June,July, and Aug.

For lineholders now=THEY CAN NOT TRADE ANYTHING !!

So with reserves having trips=would be funny if alot of people called in sick. Where would the reserves be???
 

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That is pretty hypocritical of you to bash someone for something you are trying to do. Way to go. Glad to see people looking out for us furloughed guys. I can't wait to see you guys give up the farm to keep your jobs when the company comes calling on Wednesday.

F U, have some faith in this becoming very unified pilot group. There are alot of people doing the right thing, and I think the people doing the right thing far outweigh the people that are not.

In Unity Jeff Neely
 

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So with reserves having trips=would be funny if alot of people called in sick. Where would the reserves be???

With approximately 80+ reserve lines for each position, that means there at least 50 guys/gals on reserve for each position every day. Even as they assigned all open time, they still have a ton of reserves available everyday.

The company is probaby wishing they had built a greater number of hard lines (to a lower value) and less reserve lines. It would have meant less overall soft pay as they are going to pay alot of us reserve guys 70 hours for about 30 hours of actual earned credit. My over/under bet for reserve days actually getting called in this month is still 7 (so far I have been used 2 of 5 reserve days).
 

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Well--still nice thing to not let your employees trip trade, as they have done for years now.....Just another thumb to your employees=

SWEET MGT. TEAM---I think all MGT teams need to talk to Gordon Bethune and how to run an airline, only person in the last 15 years that actually knew what was going on..........
 

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I think scheduling has been dolling out open time to reserves for years. Thats why we need to get some sort of transparency in our next contract. (whenever that may be )I just checked my sched,, nope still on Rsv. I agree that we have plenty to cover the sick calls, we went from aprox 40 lines of rsv to aprox 90 and with reduce flying for the month of Sept. (737 CA) I have been assigned once this month to fly the couch for 6hours,,,,can I log that?

I think people like Capt. Dave B,,(I still don't know who that is) are far and few between. We have a good pilot group that are doing the right thing day in and day out.
 

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I for one owe that Captain a beer for having the grapes to go to bat like that. I wonder if Floy walked all the way to his gate to meet him upon his arrival back at ATL like he did to the last captain?

This is the second time I've head of a captain sticking his neck out to do the right thing.

I officially owe them each at least a beer.


UNITY! UNITY! UNITY!
 

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Hey I am on the street too --I tried to pick up trips within the 24 hours of checkin, and was told no in June,July, and Aug.

For lineholders now=THEY CAN NOT TRADE ANYTHING !!

So with reserves having trips=would be funny if alot of people called in sick. Where would the reserves be???

Hey scarlet

Sorry to bag on a fellow furlough guy, my bad. My point is I have never seen a pilot group go so far above and beyond for a company day in and day out even though the company $hits on them for their efforts. Good luck in the next couple weeks, there is a huge screw job coming.
 

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...I wonder if Floy walked all the way to his gate to meet him upon his arrival back at ATL like he did to the last captain?

I was wondering if that Captain was going to be diciplined or "spoken to" for something like "denying transportation (J/S) to a crewmember positioning for a trip".

Seems like the way things are going at AAI these days.
 

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Anybody think the company is going to try to throw a decent enough proposal tomorrow to try to get 50.1% of the vote. Company may want to get this contract settled quickly as the reduced capacity environment plus dropping oil prices may make for a pretty decent earning potential for 2009.

They may figure our pilots would overall settle for less when we are losing money than if we were making profits again. Recently, most analyst talk has been if the airlines have enough liquidity to make it through the next 18 months. But if oil keeps going down, there will be alot more talk about the return to profitability which obviously increases expectations.
 
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Yeah rumor was Floy met the flight......

Capt. took a stand and say it is not right people are at home, with no job, no healthcare, and ruining their credit....Don't know this cpt. yet but will find out...
 

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I'm on reserve and haven't put on the uniform yet this month. I don't know where the open time went?

Chray
 

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I was wondering if that Captain was going to be diciplined or "spoken to" for something like "denying transportation (J/S) to a crewmember positioning for a trip".

Seems like the way things are going at AAI these days.


Nothing in the FOM requiring the Captain to do that. That is unless the guy in question is also a Fed or a Secret Service agent. The guy had a seat in back and gave it up.
 
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