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AirTran Possibly Raising Cash for ???

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Then ask a Continental 2-4th year FO what he/she is making. I'm on 3rd year FO pay at AirTran and will probably, with perdiem make around 74K for 2005. At Continental I'd be holding widebody FO by year 3 and at min reserve pay I'd be making more than what I'm going to make flying my butt off at AirTran. I agree Continental's first year pay is insulting considering they really want people with 4 year degrees who have at least 5 years experience in the industry (pic 121/military) and start them off at 30K the first year. They then brag about being a fortune 100 best companies to work for airline. The pilots over there are not exactly happy with the current concessionary contract and I see them snapping the rates back in the next few years including some major work rule changes that they agreed to recently in order to help the airline.
 
Interesting how this thread went from the original posting to a discussion of pilot pay rates. We could discuss this for infinity but the reality is simple. Those of us that have a job are lucky. Remember that first solo flight, part of you was scared and part of you was screaming "I did it." We all know we'd like to get paid more, but the market will not bear it. This thread sounds like pro sports players whinning on ESPN. What other sector of the economy continues to bear the ridiculous cost of fuel and not raise prices? The airline industry is in a "war of attrition" a.k.a. WWI or Vietnam. It's a blood fest with only pain and misery for all. The only reason that newer airlines have prospered is to keep costs low...all costs including labor.

The federal government continues to support the corporate world rather than labor. Any threat of a strike by an airline is immediately met with citations of the Railway Labor Act. Airline management continues to be unwilling to negociate in good faith, instead, delaying while discrediting labor and starting hate mail campaigns to it's employees full of half truths. All the while paying outlandish million dollar bonuses to failing executives.

This is the wrong line of work for those aspiring to wealth. Instead, it's become a "JOB", show up - do your thing - and go home. Employee loyalty is a thing of the past. Management's ultimate oxymoron is to preach teamwork (doing more with less) while taking care of their own, simultaneously crapping on the employees. This clash is what keeps labor unions in business and inhibits "real teamwork" and loyalty. Don't play into it. Life isn't fair...it is what it is and what you make it. If you don't like it change it or shutup!
 
Probably raising cash to buy Midwest....hehe...just starting chit! As far as cash in the bank...Alaska has about double what AAI has. I believe AAI has about 350 mil and Alaska has about 750 mil....Don't quote me though. I'm just a stupid airline pilot!!
 
On their 2Q confrence call i believe they mentioned something about this, is has to do with the fact the are going to be buying airplanes instead of leasing them next year, so i think it has something to do with cash needed for down payments. Not 100% sure though. i think they are planing on purchasing 14 of the 17 deliveries next year. Someone with more business skill could probably listen to the call and give more of an exact answer.

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Delta's market cap is going to be less than 200mil in a couple of days. Why not buy the ATL airport at the bankruptcy sale. Put one of AirTran's old Eastern guys in charge of the seniority integration.

"Good goes round"

...anyone seen my stapler?
 
AirTran circling rival?
by Lou Whiteman
Updated 06:25 PM EST, Aug-18-2005





A recent shelf registration by AirTran Airways Inc. has industry analysts wondering if the discount airline is preparing a bid for one of its rivals.

AirTran filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission earlier this week to sell up to $225 million in debt securities, preferred and common stock and warrants. The Orlando, Fla., company said it would use proceeds for general corporate purposes, which could include debt retirement, working capital or "acquisitions of other airlines or their assets."

While the language of the filing was routine, it has rekindled talk by some in the industry that AirTran might be pursuing a bid for Midwest Air Group Inc., parent of Midwest Airlines. Oak Creek, Wis.-based Midwest now flies from its Milwaukee hub to about 24 large cities nationwide, as well as to nine markets from Kansas City, Mo.

Midwest has a market capitalization of about $42 million and about $66 million in total debt. The airline carried more than 2.3 million passengers in 2004, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics, ranking it 32 among all carriers, including independent airlines serving as regional affiliates.

By comparison, AirTran flew more than 13 million passengers last year across its mostly East Coast and Southern route map. The company, financially healthier than most airlines, has already shown its interest in expanding in the Midwest.

The airline last October struck a deal with ATA Holdings Corp. to acquire ATA Airlines' hub at Chicago's Midway Airport, along with other assets, for $87.5 million in cash. The U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of Indiana, where ATA is reorganizing, scuttled that deal after Southwest Airlines Co. outbid AirTran for the Chicago assets.

"ATA was 'plan A,' but other options exist," said one person familiar with AirTran. While cautioning that he had no knowledge of negotiations between the carriers, the source called Midwest "a good fit at a similar cost" as the ATA deal for AirTran.

Analysts say AirTran seeks to grow in order to lessen its dependence on the its Atlanta hub, where the company is engaged in cutthroat competition with hometown Delta Air Lines Inc. The battle for Atlanta could become more difficult for AirTran in the months to come should Delta bring its costs down by declaring bankruptcy, which many believe could happen before 2006.

"They are clearly looking for a window to expand outside of Atlanta," Robert Mann, a Port Washington, N.Y.-based airline consultant, said of AirTran.

In addition to growing its operation in the heartland, a deal with Midwest also would give AirTran access to more Boeing 717 aircraft, the workhorse of the company's fleet. Midwest Airlines operates 19 717s, according to Federal Aviation Administration records, along with about a dozen older MD-80 jets.

AirTran has deals in place to acquire up to 100 larger Boeing 737s capable of flying longer missions, but the additional 717s could help the company connect more of the dots on its East Coast route map while deploying the 737s to expand its cross-country network.

A representative for AirTran cited a company policy of not commenting on rumors; a Midwest spokesman also declined comment.

Evergreen, Colo.-based airline analyst Michael Boyd said purchasing Midwest would give AirTran access to the lucrative Chicago market, its goal in trying to buy assets from ATA. However, a merger could spark a competitive response from Northwest Airlines Corp.

"Northwest has expanded significantly in Milwaukee," Boyd said. "I am not sure that wasn't to send a message to AirTran not to even think about moving in."

One downside to a purchase of Midwest is the company's ownership of Skyway Airlines Inc., which operates as Midwest Connect using smaller regional jets and turboprop aircraft. AirTran has previously experimented with using regional jets on some of its routes, but ultimately abandoned the concept.

Should a deal with Midwest fail to materialize, another potential AirTran target could include privately held Spirit Airlines Inc. of Miramar, Fla. Spirit has raised $225 million since February 2004 from private equity sources led by Oaktree Capital Management LLC in a move to build its operation across the Caribbean and Latin America, but the airline faces mounting competition as airlines big and small target tourist destinations such as those Spirit serves.

AirTran also could make another run at ATA should that company's agreement with Southwest falter, or attempt to purchase gates or other assets at Washington's Dulles International Airport from struggling FlyI Inc. should that company need to restructure.

But Boyd said AirTran has enough organic growth opportunities that it does not need to buy another airline, and cautioned the company against overextending itself in a deal.

"Airlines don't go out of business by missing opportunities," he said. "They go out of business jumping at them."
 
Very interesting article. I look forward to telling you Air Tran boys to raise my gear. I have over 15 years with Midex and that's way more than your most senior captain so move over or FORGET IT. WE DON'T WANT YOU.
 
Chuck Yogourt said:
Very interesting article. I look forward to telling you Air Tran boys to raise my gear. .

I bet it'll be another ATA type of deal that won't include pilots.
 
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I mean absolutely no disrespect to you Chuck, but the rumors that have been floating around is that AirTran will be buying the pieces, not the people - with the people getting preferential interviews. Of course it's all rumor until you hear about it on the news.

Personally, I was kind of surprised to hear about Spirit. I guess I hadn't thought of them as a possible partner. But now the announcement of service to Detroit makes more sense.
 
Hey Chuck...If we buy you, we could just staple you to the bottom of the seniority list as well...Then I will be asking you to raise the gear... Just kidding with you. Who knows what will happen. But that rumor has been going around for a long time. But I have been hearing more rumors of late, and that was even before this article!!
 
Chuck Yogourt said:
Very interesting article. I look forward to telling you Air Tran boys to raise my gear. I have over 15 years with Midex and that's way more than your most senior captain so move over or FORGET IT. WE DON'T WANT YOU.

I hear people debating the merits of fences, or staples, or simply acquiring assets.

Generally, I lean towards the fences/integrated list camp, but when I read stuff from Chuckie Boy, it sure makes me realize very quickly that it doesn;t take very many "Chucks" to make for a lot of problems and heartburn.

Congratulations, Chuckie Boy . . . . you're the strongest argument I've heard yet for buying assets and then just interviewing. I hope your co-workers feel the same as you, because you're the jackass that is braying for all of them on this board.
 
Well said, Ty.
 
Chuck Yogourt said:
I have over 15 years with Midex and that's way more than your most senior captain so move over or FORGET IT.
Need I remind you of TWA/AA? ALPA will do little to help you. I sincerely hope for the best for you guys, regardless, being a MKE resident myself.
 
Ty Webb said:
I hear people debating the merits of fences, or staples, or simply acquiring assets.

Generally, I lean towards the fences/integrated list camp, but when I read stuff from Chuckie Boy, it sure makes me realize very quickly that it doesn;t take very many "Chucks" to make for a lot of problems and heartburn.

Congratulations, Chuckie Boy . . . . you're the strongest argument I've heard yet for buying assets and then just interviewing. I hope your co-workers feel the same as you, because you're the jackass that is braying for all of them on this board.

Please son, change your avator. It's so Gay or is that just you. And don't worry about buying Midex and interviewing either. We are not for sale and we are not going anywhere. Who's your daddy Ty Boy? No, really, who is your daddy?

You are a gutless little worm.
 
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