AirTran Net Income of $134.7 Million for 2009

[Flash]

Well.....

The last few times I rode Air Tranny we had big time bad landings on nice runways.

I flew you boys the other day and both landings were sweet. "even one at KMDW"

So.. maybe I should take my comments back...

There was a new "smooth landing" fee put into effect on Jan 1st. If everyone passenger does not agree to the 2 dollar surcharge then it's drilled into the runway!

 

[TV9Driver]

we don't get paid more for nice landings.... the greater the apathy, the harder the landing...

 

[no1pilot2000]

I've flown AirTran and haven't had any problem, from gate to gate.

 

[pilotyip]

Professional?

we don't get paid more for nice landings.... the greater the apathy, the harder the landing...

I that how we judge a professional?

 

[Secret Squirrel]

I that how we judge a professional?

How about grammar, spelling, and proof reading.

 

[Lear70]

I that how we judge a professional?

No, just for you, Yip...

 

[rajflyboy]

Any one of us should be able to get good landing most of the time!

No matter whether the FOM calls for a "Firm Landing" or not.

 

[pilotyip]

oh my gad the speelibng police

How about grammar, spelling, and proof reading.

the wrold wlil be a mcuh btter plcae wiht the spelling pcoile lokoing out for us.

 

[Herkdrv]

the wrold wlil be a mcuh btter plcae wiht the spelling pcoile lokoing out for us.

Hey d0uche nozzle you are not funny.

 

[pipejockey]

if it is so how come AT is being overwhelmed with applications?

Well thats quite the rhetorical question isn't it? Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of this industry can agree that it isn't because of how great it is to work at AirTran. No, the real reason is that most of the Apps I'm sure are from regional pilots where as hard as it is to believe, it's even worse and lower paying there! A nasty, and despicable industry this is huh?

I that how we judge a professional?

No, but we oughta judge it by how little one is willing to work for. If you accept an unprofessional wage for a professional job, then that in itself makes you unprofessional, and ruins it for everyone else who may be needing to earn a living. And there isn't a regional FO payscale that has professional wages.


AirTran Net Income of $134.7 Million for 2009

Well thats a no brainer!! When you have 737 FO's making 70 bucks an hour and CA's 130, how could you NOT be earning a significant profit?

 

[cjscinta]

70 bucks an hour? I wish.

 

[Wesb737fo]

AirTran Net Income of $134.7 Million for 2009

Well thats a no brainer!! When you have 737 FO's making 70 bucks an hour and CA's 130, how could you NOT be earning a significant profit?

Uh....I'm not going to disagree with you that I should be paid more, we WILL address that issue soon, but if you think that profits are strictly driven by pilot pay, you need to look at some 10K filings and learn how to read them.

Last years rev/seat-mile was 10.05 cents/asm.

The cost was 9.30 cents/asm.

Excluding fuel the cost was 6.38 cents/asm.

Of that 6.38 cents/asm only 22% comprised salaries, wages and benefits. That's 1.4 cents/asm.

Assuming that half the salaries, wages and benefits are attributed to pilots. The pilot cost would be .70 cents/asm.

Give ALL pilots a 25% raise and our portion goes up .175 cents/asm. The total cost goes to 9.475 cents/asm.

With rev being 10.05 minus cost 9.475, that still results in a profit.

 

[Lear70]

Moderator hat on:

I'm not going to warn you guys again. Knock it off with the profanity. Seriously. Someone's gonna get a FI vacation if you keep it up.

Moderator hat off:

Jerry, feel free to repost, without the profanity, it was a valid point, even though the pay rates ARE abysmal...

/mod

 

[maxblast72]

Give ALL pilots a 25% raise and our portion goes up .175 cents/asm. The total cost goes to 9.475 cents/asm.

.175 cents/asm times 24 billion ASMs comes out to a pilot cost increase of around $42 million per year. Company isn't going to increase their costs by $42 million per year and give us the transparency we desire without a serious threat of work stoppage.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Max, attributing half of the wages to the pilots was a little generous, I would say more like 1/4 to 1/3. And with an ave. pay raise of 20% between Ca and Fo's, I come out with around 30 mil. The point I was trying to make is that low pilot wages was not the reason AAI made a profit last year.

However, I do agree that we should be paid higher and it's going to take some effort to get there.

BTW, looking at the projections (if they are correct) for Q1, we should make an operating profit around $ 46 mil.