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on the contrary, i think the only way TPG can recoup its investment is to GROW the airline. i would look for some "explosive" (explosive for midwest and TH) growth and the md80's being replaced.

i can only hope we do not fall into the same pitfalls that ATA made when they grew that airline.
 
on the contrary, i think the only way TPG can recoup its investment is to GROW the airline. i would look for some "explosive" (explosive for midwest and TH) growth and the md80's being replaced.

i can only hope we do not fall into the same pitfalls that ATA made when they grew that airline.

I don't know about that. Ask the folks at ATA how much they grew when Southwest was initially calling the shots. When Southwest outbid AirTran for the gates at Midway, Southwest shut down every competing route they had with ATA. The only routes ATA were left with out of Midway were the cities Southwest didn't serve.....(LGA,DCA, and BOS). The larger Northwest with billions of dollars in the bank has outbid AirTran to keep them out of MKE. How much say they will have in Midwest's growth remains to be seen. But BEWARE, Northwest is going to protect its interest even if that means throwing in a little cash to protect its territory. Northwest through Midwest a BONE, but I doubt they give Midwest the keys to the Refrigerator.
 
on the contrary, i think the only way TPG can recoup its investment is to GROW the airline. i would look for some "explosive" (explosive for midwest and TH) growth and the md80's being replaced.

i can only hope we do not fall into the same pitfalls that ATA made when they grew that airline.

I hate to be a pessimist here, but you're now owned by money-men and an airline that wanted to see you gone a long time ago.

I don't have much hope for the MEH people. Sorry. Good luck. TC
 
I don't know about that. Ask the folks at ATA how much they grew when Southwest was initially calling the shots. When Southwest outbid AirTran for the gates at Midway, Southwest shut down every competing route they had with ATA. The only routes ATA were left with out of Midway were the cities Southwest didn't serve.....(LGA,DCA, and BOS). The larger Northwest with billions of dollars in the bank has outbid AirTran to keep them out of MKE. How much say they will have in Midwest's growth remains to be seen. But BEWARE, Northwest is going to protect its interest even if that means throwing in a little cash to protect its territory. Northwest through Midwest a BONE, but I doubt they give Midwest the keys to the Refrigerator.

southwest loaned ATA money, which is completely different than here. northwest is a minority stakeholder. i was speaking of when ATA grew in the mid to late 90's.

we shall see...
 
I hate to be a pessimist here, but you're now owned by money-men and an airline that wanted to see you gone a long time ago.

I don't have much hope for the MEH people. Sorry. Good luck. TC

we are all owned by money-men. again nwa is a minority shareholder. you're telling me that after spending $400 million in cash TPG just wants MEH to go away?
 
Midwest to go private

AirTran spurned; investors, including Northwest, make $16-a-share bid

By TOM DAYKIN
[email protected]

Posted: Aug. 12, 2007

A group of investors, including Northwest Airlines Corp., is offering to buy Midwest Air Group Inc. for $16 a share, a maneuver that shoots down a competing offer from AirTran Holdings Inc. but raises the specter of a possible antitrust challenge by federal authorities.

The investors group - led by TPG Capital, of Fort Worth, Texas - would convert Midwest Air to a privately held company, according to a statement issued late Sunday.

That would accomplish Midwest Air Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Timothy Hoeksema's goal of maintaining Midwest Airlines and Midwest Connect as stand-alone, regional airlines - keeping them out of the hands of Orlando, Fla.-based AirTran, a rapidly growing airline that harbored ambitious plans of making Milwaukee its second hub.

TPG Capital also would sweeten the deal for Midwest Air's shareholders, who were offered $15.75 a share by AirTran - a last-minute increase by the airline. TPG Capital would pay cash, which likely holds more appeal for shareholders than AirTran's cash and stock offer.

For Northwest, the investment would help prevent AirTran from developing a hub in Milwaukee - which could threaten to siphon away travelers who fly to Northwest's hubs in Minneapolis, Detroit and Memphis.

Midwest Air and TPG Capital don't yet have a definitive sale agreement, but one is expected by Wednesday, said Carol Skornicka, Midwest Air's senior vice president of corporate affairs.

Also, the sale will need approval from the U.S. Department of Justice, which routinely reviews airline mergers for possible antitrust violations.

Midwest Air controls about 50% of the market at Milwaukee's Mitchell International Airport. Eagan, Minn.-based Northwest, the No. 2 carrier at Mitchell, has about 19% of the market.

About 30 minutes before Midwest Air's announcement, AirTran said it would not renew its tender offer, which it had boosted to $15.75 a share, and was withdrawing from negotiations. That offer consisted of $9.50 in cash - up from $9 in cash - and 0.5842 shares of AirTran common stock for each Midwest share.

Nearly 63% of Midwest Air's shares had been tendered to AirTran under its tender offer, which expired at midnight Friday.

AirTran's statement blasted Midwest Air's board for ignoring what AirTran Chairman and CEO Joe Leonard called "the overwhelming majority of shareholders' wishes."

Leonard said AirTran's purchase of Midwest Air would have resulted in increases in air travel from Mitchell, as well as a surge in local hiring.

"Instead, the Midwest board has chosen a path that will benefit current senior management by selling out to a private equity firm and a so- called 'passive' investor whose involvement will surely raise antitrust concerns, casting doubt for shareholders on whether a transaction can, in fact, close," Leonard said, referring to Northwest.

"Furthermore, private equity investors are laser focused on generating short-term returns and the only way to accomplish that goal is to slash costs by cutting back on service and eliminating jobs," Leonard said. "If the Midwest board is successful in selling the company to a private equity investor, the Midwest employees should be concerned about their job security and Midwest's customer service is sure to suffer."

'Intent is to grow'

But TPG Capital is not looking to cut service or employment, said Capt. Jay Schnedorf, head of the pilots union at Midwest Airlines.

"Their intent is to grow Midwest Airlines," Schnedorf said. He said TPG Capital's resources would allow Midwest Air to have more growth opportunities.

That view was echoed by Scott Hamilton, who operates Leeham Co., an airline industry consulting firm in Issaquah, Wash.

"TPG is not interested in shrinking. TPG is interested in growing," Hamilton said. He noted the firm's previous airline industry investments, including stakes in Continental Airlines and America West Airlines that helped both companies emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

The level of Northwest's involvement in TPG Capital's bid will likely determine whether it gains approval from federal antitrust regulators, Hamilton said.

Northwest issued a statement Sunday night confirming that it's an investor in the bid. That statement did not discuss the level of Northwest's investment, but it did say Northwest "will not participate in management or control of Midwest should TPG acquire Midwest."

TPG Capital's $16 a share offer is a 12.4% premium to Midwest Air's Friday closing price of $14.23 a share. Midwest Air's price was $9.08 a share on Dec. 12, the day before AirTran announced its interest in the company.

AirTran's plans for Midwest Air revolved around ditching the airline's signature wide seats and greatly expanding service.

The wide, two-across seating, used in most Midwest Airlines jets, would have been substantially reduced. Those jets would have been converted to the traditional divided passenger cabin - mainly offering a two-by-three seating configuration.

By fitting more passengers into narrower seats, and by slashing fares, AirTran planned to add a lot more departures from Mitchell International. That included flights to new non-stop destinations.

AirTran said it eventually would add 74 daily departures from Mitchell, and 27 destinations. The combined Midwest Airlines and Midwest Connect operations offer about 140 daily departures from Mitchell to just over 40 cities.

That increased business would create about 1,100 jobs in the Milwaukee area, Leonard said. Midwest Air has about 2,900 employees in Wisconsin, primarily at Mitchell and the company's headquarters in Oak Creek.

Hoeksema raised doubts about whether those expansion plans were sustainable.

Meanwhile, Midwest Air unveiled its own, more modest expansion plans, much of it revolving around a bigger role for Midwest Connect. Hoeksema also announced plans to reduce the number of wide, two-across seats on Midwest Airlines and add more narrow seats - boosting passenger count and revenue for those flights.
 
Northwest's passive investment has anti-trust written all over it. They will be forced to back out of any participation as will any other large legacy carrier that is dominant in the MEH domain.

AAI should just sit tight. TPG may bow out without financial support from someone else other than a carrier that has something to gain from this. AAI could end up buying it for half of their last offer in a year or two if TPG goes it alone, as I doubt TPG will be able to grow their investment in the coming troubled financial arena.

:pimp:​
 
'Intent is to grow'

But TPG Capital is not looking to cut service or employment, said Capt. Jay Schnedorf, head of the pilots union at Midwest Airlines.

"Their intent is to grow Midwest Airlines," Schnedorf said. He said TPG Capital's resources would allow Midwest Air to have more growth opportunities.

That view was echoed by Scott Hamilton, who operates Leeham Co., an airline industry consulting firm in Issaquah, Wash.

"TPG is not interested in shrinking. TPG is interested in growing," Hamilton said. He noted the firm's previous airline industry investments, including stakes in Continental Airlines and America West Airlines that helped both companies emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Why would NWA be involved in a deal that would further grow a low-cost competitor in its backyard?

My heart hopes they're telling the truth but my experience says they're not. Sorry. (Believe me, I'm pulling for the Midwest people. Being former ARW, I want to see the 'Wisconsin Flag Carrier' stay independent.) TC
 
Yea, me thinks growth for Midwest/Skyway just came to a screeching halt. Maybe just enough to keep the AirTran growth at MKE at bay, but that is it.

I have to disagree, TPG won't allow that, TPG have a history of turning companies into money making, very successful companies.

Now that the new owner have much deeper pockets and better financial ratings, we will be able to get the aircrafts we need to replace the 80's much sooner.

The union have met with TPG last week, and they are very happy hearing TPG's plans for Midwest.

Very exciting times ahead.
 
Why would NWA be involved in a deal that would further grow a low-cost competitor in its backyard?

My heart hopes they're telling the truth but my experience says they're not. Sorry. (Believe me, I'm pulling for the Midwest people. Being former ARW, I want to see the 'Wisconsin Flag Carrier' stay independent.) TC

Thanks for the support TC. I would imagine it is no different than NWA's strategic alliance with Continental (that is a lot more antitrust than little ole' MEH), after all Continental can hurt NWA's bottom line A LOT more than MEH could ever through international competition.

"Explosive" growth for MEH would be an additional 7 airplanes, nothing that can hurt NWA. In fact we already do not fly on any NWA routes when we pulled out of DTW.
 
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Why would NWA be involved in a deal that would further grow a low-cost competitor in its backyard?

I see your point TC, but I think if you invest in a company you would want to see that company make money and get a good return on your investment.

NWA recently mentioned that now all of Midwest fuel be added to their own fuel planing since they get a much better rates.

I really don't see NWA and Midwest as competitors anymore since NWA own a part of Midwest now.
 
to me this is the important part of the statement:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/sto...x?guid={F4B4EAA0-65CC-47D2-9BE4-1F216AFCF2F3}

It said it and Midwest would maintain their code-sharing accord and would explore ways to cut costs, like jointly purchasing jet fuel.

if fuel keeps going up and up in price, expect a lot more airlines to go into together and purchase it. with the larger numbers you should have more purchasing power and thus hopefully can command a better price.
 
all about the $ & JLo's real motivation?

As much as I hate to admit it, I think the MEH BOD was right. The value of the company was much greater than AAI's offer. The BOD, it appears, did act in the best interests of the shareholders. 16 cash is a whole lot better than 11 and change (only half of which was cash).

Now, as to NWA, if they're a minority stakeholder in this deal, there won't be any anti-trust issues as long as their involvement in MEH is similar to their current marketing agreements, etc. In fact, if you compared fares from MKE today in the markets where NWA and MEH directly compete I think you will find that on many of those routes MEH's fares , or both MEH's and NWA's fares, are relatively high already.

IMHO, I think AAI's offer was more about growing AAI cheaply (even at 15.75 - 1/2 = 7.875/share). JLo would get 25 717s and their pilots, parts/spares, and mechanics that knew the aircraft. Everything else would have immediately been on the block. So, what would the cost of the 717s been per plane? I think that's where this deal was most valuable for JLo. JLo wanted to grow capacity at that cost vs. continuing to buy 737s and hiring and training more new pilots. Didn't AAI just delay delivery of some 737s?

Ultimately, JLo couldn't afford the deal. One total guess, btw, is that NWA's participation was right at the end in goosing the price from 15.75 to 16 and sealing the deal, thereby hosing JLo.

Well, it appears it's over. Good luck to everyone. We shall see....
 
I have to disagree, TPG won't allow that, TPG have a history of turning companies into money making, very successful companies.

Now that the new owner have much deeper pockets and better financial ratings, we will be able to get the aircrafts we need to replace the 80's much sooner.

The union have met with TPG last week, and they are very happy hearing TPG's plans for Midwest.

Very exciting times ahead.

I sure hope you are right.

I am thinking along the lines of AA717driver. I know about the CAL/NWA thing, but MKE is in NWA's back yard. I think the Airbus deal is moving ahead, although with the AirTran deal dead, any chance to go back to the 737? Naah. Probably not.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is SkyWest vs. Skyway. All the growth is SkyWest with that 15 option on 25 aircraft. There was talk of growth on the MC side, but where?
 
Thanks for the support TC. I would imagine it is no different than NWA's strategic alliance with Continental (that is a lot more antitrust than little ole' MEH), after all Continental can hurt NWA's bottom line A LOT more than MEH could ever through international competition.

"Explosive" growth for MEH would be an additional 7 airplanes, nothing that can hurt NWA. In fact we already do not fly on any NWA routes when we pulled out of DTW.

Private equity firms always look to IPO their investment (or sell it outright) a few years down the line. To do that, the invesmtent has to be improved considerably for it to attract attention - boosting the bottom line either through cost cutting or increased revenue generation.

So, in this day of low-cost blood letting and insane airfare wars to capture market share, can someone shed any light on how Midwest will be improved THAT MUCH MORE in the near term? Midwest airplanes do not resemble those of comparable carriers - the small number of all leather, comfy seats are completely unique. Clearly NWA doesn't want to make it stronger so that it can pull business away from DTW or MSP. Changing aircraft interiors to accomodate more passengers (volume) would wreck the unique culture and value proposition for a high percentage of passengers.

How can TPG/NWA get the ROI they expect without hurting NWA's competitive position in that part of the country or by using Midwest's current fleet with their unique, low-cabin volume interiors? I am betting that you can expect increased competition from Air Tran and other LCCs. Cost-cutting and the selling of core assets (replace Skyway with Compass?) would be one plausible idea if you can't generate much more revenue on existing assets. I guess the cookie ovens will be the first to go... Too bad becasue the Air Tran offer made a lot more strategic sense given their route structures were complementary vs. overlapping with NWA...

I wonder if Air Tran has approached private equity firms as well?
 
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How can TPG/NWA get the ROI they expect without hurting NWA's competitive position in that part of the country or by using Midwest's current fleet with their unique, low-cabin volume interiors? I am betting that you can expect increased competition from Air Tran and other LCCs. Cost-cutting and the selling of core assets (replace Skyway with Compass?) would be one plausible idea if you can't generate much more revenue on existing assets. I guess the cookie ovens will be the first to go... Too bad becasue the Air Tran offer made a lot more strategic sense given their route structures were complementary vs. overlapping with NWA...
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What about NWA backing off on the Midwest routes so they can use those aircraft/crews to make-up for the route cuts made over the last few months? Or was all of that to be made up with the new labor agreement? It's a stretch, but just a thought.
 
What about NWA backing off on the Midwest routes so they can use those aircraft/crews to make-up for the route cuts made over the last few months? Or was all of that to be made up with the new labor agreement? It's a stretch, but just a thought.

Got Scope?

There will be no code-share or joint venture without the approval of NWA pilots.

See: Section 1
 
What about the overlap with Compass? Wonder about SkyWest's role....
 
Looks like NWA is playing from the same play book SWA used to shoot down JL.
Ask the folks at ATA how much they grew when Southwest was initially calling the shots. When Southwest outbid AirTran for the gates at Midway, Southwest shut down every competing route they had with ATA. The only routes ATA were left with out of Midway were the cities Southwest didn't serve.....(LGA,DCA, and BOS).

True statement. Ask me how it is living under someone's thumb just waiting for the next shoe to drop. I don't expect great things to happen for Midwest. But let's not forget what's important here.

How have the suits benefited from this deal, that's all that's important. RIGHT!
 

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