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Midwests' pilot group is smaller and tighter than the rings around Uranus.

Heh-heh . . . we have plenty of anuses around here, too. Does that count for anything? :laugh:

As far as how things would play out if his goes down . . . you may be right, who knows for sure? I hope not, because I am one of the voices that urges fairness and moderation.


I don't want to debate with Ty. He's one of 'the greats' on this board, IMHO.

Thanks! Nice to know that the past 8 years have not all been wasted- someone else besides me has found my posts entertaining on occaision. :beer:
 
Hmm, who is NPA's attorney in your negotiations? Lets see a retired ALPA attorney. Hmm, how does NPA provide medical, negotiating, legal, security, accident investigations, etc. services to their members? Lets see they pay ALPA for all those. Hmm, how much cash does NPA have available in case that you may need to have a strike center are maybe even a strike? Lets see $0. Hmm, what is the difference in dues? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it the same? NPA was 1% but I think its now 1.95%. Why not get the milk straight from the cow? I'm interested in the direction ALPA takes after the first of the year with the new president.
I would kill myself if I had a 4 day w/ you!!!
 
Hmm, who is NPA's attorney in your negotiations? Lets see a retired ALPA attorney.
Key word: RETIRED. No longer on ALPA payroll. Experienced, but no longer working for them. Swing and miss.

Hmm, how does NPA provide medical, negotiating, legal, security, accident investigations, etc. services to their members? Lets see they pay ALPA for all those.
Again, half-truths.

Negotiating is not done by ALPA, period.

We have our own aeromedical guys (I just talked to one in October). We retain the ability to CONSULT ALPA, should the need arise, but ALPA doesn't pick up our Aeromedical phone calls.

We have our own legal consultants, none of whom work for ALPA as far as I'm aware (and believe me, the company would have swam all OVER that one in their recent propaganda letter I received, indeed, the company DID bring up the costs involved with having a full-time legal panel on retainer and ALPA was never mentioned regarding them).

Accident investigations? Nope. MEM is being handled in-house as far as I'm aware. Again, I'm sure we have a CONSULTATION contingency worked out with ALPA, should we ever need it.

We DO consult with ALPA for research and contract comparative analysis purposes - they have the best research engine in the biz... but that's it.

So, since POSSIBLE consultation does not equal ALPA-provided, again, swing and miss. Care to try for strike 3? :)

Laugh and joke now, but the 2nd offering will land the hook in the final chapter of Midwest Express. I'm very curious to see how peacably the pilot groups will work out the integration of seniority. My guess is the AirTran side will take a bath, inspite of being the host company.
Ohhhh,,, now you're just TRYING to piss me off, aren't you? ;)
 
Hi!

From St. Paul Pioneer Press Thu 12.14.06...
AirTran Holdings said Wednesday it would continue to pursue a previously rebuffed deal with Midwest Air.

cliff
YIP
 
Phay Dude! Aint eeven knowin waht dat cat mnboyeee be sayin eether. Somma dem peeps aint like good at like communin wit da flightfo peeps
!

Best, if you ever get up to Anchorage (after AAI acquires Alaska) I'll buy you a beer.
 
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Best, if you ever get up to Anchorage (after AAI acquires Alaska) I'll buy you a beer.

Phay-dude!

Now dats waht Im tawkin bouts! Dude, once a Tranny always a freaking Tranny!

Naw bro, brewskis on me, my brother from a more fill-o-soffical mother!!!

AWWWW YYEEAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Lawsuit?

What good does a lawsuit do? Presumably, the elected leadership (the board) acted in the best interests of the shareholders. If they don't like it, they try and get the board changed to put in place people who will act on the shareholders' wishes.

Points to ponder-

1. This is heating up and is becoming much more real for us Midwest Holdings folks.
2. Is this just lawyers being lawyers and trying to get their name in the paper and a shot at some cash?
3. I wonder how much AirTran is willing to offer to get this done. There has to be a price at which it's just cheaper to buy the darn planes themselves from somebody and expand their own op and not try to buy somebody else's.
4. People around here seem to have a real emotional stake in Midwest- Wisconsinites view it as "our airline". I think AAI will have to make a pretty incredible offer before the shareholders are willing to sell, since it would mean the end of the Midwest brand. Even though shareholders are considering economics, I'll bet the emotional attachment weighs heavily.
5. That said, there's nothing I can do about it except make plans for both eventualities and watch the show!

May the Airline Gods have mercy on us all!
 
Lear, talk to AP. I think you'll be surprised just how much support the NPA receives from ALPA.
 
Lear, talk to AP. I think you'll be surprised just how much support the NPA receives from ALPA.
I shot him an email earlier today.

He came out with his "talking paper" on the upcoming election, took specific time to address EXACTLY how and when we use ALPA's services.

Unless he's purposefully downplaying it (possible, I don't really know the guy like I knew and had drinks with almost all the PCL MEC guys), I'd say we stay as far away from involvement with ALPA as possible while still availing ourselves of their resources.

Definitely a fine (and hard) line to walk, but I appreciate it, as I don't like the idea of DALPA (or anyone else for that matter) having access to the same info that we do for negotiations, especially if the company ever opens their books;

Kind of like showing the guy next to you your hand in Texas Hold 'Em.
 
Lear look at your NPA books. Seems NPA is at every ALPA seminar. Because S.R. isn't on ALPA's payroll doesn't mean Npa is his only client. I know and have the utmost respect for AP but he still, as I would, has to make good with the majority.
 
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Executives lament possible Midwest Airlines acquisition
The Business Journal of Milwaukee - December 15, 2006

by Business Journal staff

Milwaukee-area business executives who travel frequently were adamant that Midwest Airlines should remain independent in the face of an acquisition offer by AirTran Holdings Inc.

"Anytime a smaller company is taken over by a bigger company, it seems to lose its local charm," said Ken Klein, an account executive with Cardinal Health, Wauwatosa, who flies with Midwest Airlines to Minneapolis at least twice a month. "I just hope the shareholders are smart enough to realize that Midwest should stay in Milwaukee."

Jim Brindley, president of Health Payment Systems, Milwaukee, flies on Midwest Airlines regularly to Washington, D.C., and other destinations. He travels Midwest out of a sense of duty to local companies, but said Health Payment Systems is willing to pay extra for better service and amenities, which he said control by AirTran Airways would jeopardize.
"It's pretty clear to me that if (a takeover) were to happen, there would be a significant change in culture," Brindley said. "It sounds like they're one of these value-driven, do-it-on-the-cheap, 'here's your bag of pretzels' cattle cars."

Other business travelers said their key concern is whether a merged airline would maintain Midwest's high level of service, including its two-across leather seating, chocolate chip cookies and Midwest Club for executives.

"Right now I'm willing to pay a little more to fly Midwest because of the quality of the service," said Barbara Boxer, a partner at Milwaukee law firm Reinhart, Boerner Van Dueren S.C. "I would not be willing to pay more for AirTran's service."

Boxer flies at least 30 times a year, and uses Midwest for the majority of her business travel, she said.

"I would be very disappointed with that type of merger," she said. "I think if AirTran makes Midwest like AirTran, Midwest loses it's competitive advantage and no longer is a hometown airline, which matters to the city."

Hometown advantage
Grant Killoran, a health care attorney at Michael Best & Friedrich L.L.P., said Milwaukee-area businesses derive value from Midwest Airlines because of the number of direct flights the airline offers.

"Besides the obvious potential for relocating, there's the elimination of direct flights for business destinations as well as losing the business-friendly seating," Killoran said. "Unlike many airlines, Midwest allows you enough space to conduct business from your seat."

Midwest's supply of direct flights to the East Coast make cross-country business relatively easy from Milwaukee, Killoran said.

"When Northwest moved its hub away from (Milwaukee), we lost some direct flights, and you had to go through other hubs," Killoran said. "That could easily be another two hours, and depending on which way you're flying, with or against the clock, that could have a sizable impact on the business day."

Tim Sheehy, president of the Metropolitan Milwaukee Association of Commerce, said he had "strong concerns whether the quality of service we've gotten used to with our hometown airline would be met."

"A lot of the economic drivers in our community rely on good air service, and Milwaukee currently has air service in excess of its peers," he said.

But, John Potter, a portfolio manager at Cortina Asset Management in Milwaukee, said for most business travelers, convenience, flight availability and price are key drivers in deciding what airline to travel, not the name on the airplane. Potter makes about 25 to 30 round trips a year, about 10 of which are on Midwest Airlines, he said.

"I'd be hard pressed to see something negative here," he said. "I'm much more concerned when I see Midwest cutting routes and I go down from two carriers to one."

Community impact
Having Midwest Airlines based in the Milwaukee area is important to the region's national image, said Julia Taylor, president of The Greater Milwaukee Committee.

"The brand for this region, that blue brand is a very important part of our regional identity," she said. "It's unusual for a city our size to have an airline that has that type of hub here. It's a very important business attraction, particularly for our global companies."

Jim Roemer, associate managing director of The PrivateBank, Milwaukee, compared the proposed acquisition to the Sears, Roebuck & Co. takeover of Lands' End a few years ago.
"Sears did nothing for Lands' End and it doesn't sound like AirTran will do much for Midwest Airlines," he said.

If Midwest Airlines is merged into another company and the area loses another corporate headquarters, Roemer said there is a corresponding loss of charitable donations and civic-minded corporate behavior.

Several community leaders said Midwest Airlines is one of the more active Milwaukee-area companies in the community. Taylor praised Midwest's management for its commitment to the region and business savvy.

"When a lot of airlines chose to go bankrupt, they took on the role of managing their assets, reducing debt and becoming profitable," she said. "They've done it the hard way, and it speaks volumes about the quality of the company and its management."

AirTran: A brief summary
AirTran Airways describes itself as a low-fare airline designed for business travelers.

The Orlando, Fla., airline provides 700 flights a day to 50 destinations. It's hub is at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, where AirTran is the second-largest carrier.
The company was established in 1993, but it first gained national attention in 1997 when it merged with ValuJet, which suffered financially after a ValuJet DC-9 carrying 109 people crashed in the Florida Everglades.

The current AirTran management team, led by Joseph Leonard, took over in 1999. At the time, the company had about $10 million in cash-on-hand, which is "about a snowstorm away from going out of business," said Kevin Healy, AirTran's vice president of planning and sales.

Since then, the airline has built its fleet and its destinations. AirTran survived the passenger downturn after the 9-11 terrorist attacks in part by winning voluntary wage cuts from its three major unions, Healy said.

Revenue has increased at a healthy clip the past three years, but operating income and cash flow have decreased.

During the third quarter ending Sept. 30, AirTran reported a net loss of $4.3 million compared with a net income of $1 million a year earlier. The airline's management said the loss was due in large part to revenue not growing enough to cover increased jet fuel prices. AirTran also experienced a slowdown in demand following the changes in airline security protocols in London after terrorist activity was thwarted there.

The company's stock hit its 52-week low in September of $9.06 but had rebounded in the weeks leading up to the disclosure of AirTran's bid for Midwest Air Group.
Its stock closed on Dec. 13 at $12.82 per share.

-- Rich Kirchen
 
AirTran: A brief summary
AirTran Airways describes itself as a low-fare airline designed for business travelers.


The company was established in 1993, but it first gained national attention in 1997 when it merged with ValuJet, which suffered financially after a ValuJet DC-9 carrying 109 people crashed in the Florida Everglades.

-- Rich Kirchen

Thanks Rich. Hey, buddy, when you write articles about other airlines, do you make sure to mention at least one of there crashes as well? Make sure you put the fatalities in there as well, no matter how UNRELATED to the topic it is.

No, I'm not going to mudsling against any individual airline at this time--I do know that my former place of employment had 5 in 5, and a Saturday Night Live skit, but it's no re-hashed on almost every article. I still haven't quite figured that out yet.
 
I had a good friend from High School and her mother perish on that flight in the glades.
 

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