AirTran gets CASS

[gt1900]

32LT10.... Your a complete idiot... Thanks for leaving me at the gate more than 15 times in the last 6 years with open seats in the back because I was the secong jumpseater to show up. You act all high and mighty and sh&^ because now your unlimted... Again, your an idiot. Not sure if you forgot this, but YOU JUST CHANGED YOUR POLICY when you took it in the @$% from your company. Oh ya... Wanna talk wages.. Those guys at AAI are trying to get a new contract with a pay increase, kinda hard when UAL 767 pilots make less than an AAI 717/737 driver.. Who's raising the bar now @$% clown... Your 320/737 drivers make over $20 less an hour than AAI pilots.... So... your right, AAI's jumpseat policy sucks, UAL's is much better. BUT, maybe you guys can grow a pair and bring up your wages a little so AAI can quit using your wages against the pilots to keep pay low... Man, you just don't get it do ya....
Disclaimer.... This post was for 32LT10... Not all the other great UAL pilots who have given me rides home.... Even when I was the second jumpseater..

 

[32LT10]

32LT10.... Your a complete idiot... Thanks for leaving me at the gate more than 15 times in the last 6 years with open seats in the back because I was the secong jumpseater to show up. You act all high and mighty and sh&^ because now your unlimted... Again, your an idiot. Not sure if you forgot this, but YOU JUST CHANGED YOUR POLICY when you took it in the @$% from your company. Oh ya... Wanna talk wages.. Those guys at AAI are trying to get a new contract with a pay increase, kinda hard when UAL 767 pilots make less than an AAI 717/737 driver.. Who's raising the bar now @$% clown... Your 320/737 drivers make over $20 less an hour than AAI pilots.... So... your right, AAI's jumpseat policy sucks, UAL's is much better. BUT, maybe you guys can grow a pair and bring up your wages a little so AAI can quit using your wages against the pilots to keep pay low... Man, you just don't get it do ya....
Disclaimer.... This post was for 32LT10... Not all the other great UAL pilots who have given me rides home.... Even when I was the second jumpseater..

another reason i hate offline omc's.

 

[gt1900]

Or maybe its because you don't like being put in your place when you open your mouth and make yourself look like an idiot.... I would be willing to bet your just one of those guys who's an @$$ and doesn't like anything or anyone..Come on though, you can come up with a better response than that mr. high and mighty....

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey, 32LT10, I'd like to hear you come up with a real response to these two questions he asked you, although I doubt you have one . . . . . .

You act all high and mighty and sh&^ because now your unlimted... Again, your an idiot. Not sure if you forgot this, but YOU JUST CHANGED YOUR POLICY when you took it in the @$% from your company.

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Oh ya... Wanna talk wages.. Those guys at AAI are trying to get a new contract with a pay increase, kinda hard when UAL 767 pilots make less than an AAI 717/737 driver..

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[Ty Webb]

5 Pages later, but Chuckie/Boris/TexasJockrot/Einstein/Lawman/etc. still can't quite get his tiny little mind around it . . . .

AirTran doesn't charge for the jumpseat. They take one or two off-line jumpseaters, depending on the aircraft. If someone has beaten you to it, they will sell you a walk-up pass. Don't want to buy a pass? Keep on walkin'. I wish I had the option on Delta.

Chuckie, you'd better start getting it right. From what I hear, Midex has about 6 more months of losses before you'll be closing the doors, and if you are lucky enough to get an interview here, I'd sure hate to miss the opportunity to have such a happy individual as yourself as my trusty FO :laugh: .


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[gt1900]

Ya Boris.... They just left you at the gate with open seats in the back... At least at AAI you have the option to pay the $25 for one of those open seats, a charge that is often looked past and not payed.. If you don't want to pay, move on. I would have loved that option many times.... Trust me, you never had an AAI employee charge you for any of the 1 or 2 jumpseats either.. So, whats your point??

 

[Bosley]

Ya Boris.... They just left you at the gate with open seats in the back... At least at AAI you have the option to pay the $25 for one of those open seats, a charge that is often looked past and not payed.. If you don't want to pay, move on. I would have loved that option many times.... Trust me, you never had an AAI employee charge you for any of the 1 or 2 jumpseats either.. So, whats your point??

She has no point. She is a very disgruntled flight attendant for Skyway airlines!
Please just ignore this troll, it will dissapear much like her last user name einstein/chuck/lawman.

 

[spinup]

AirTran doesn't charge for the jumpseat. They take one or two off-line jumpseaters, depending on the aircraft. If someone has beaten you to it, they will sell you a walk-up pass. Don't want to buy a pass? Keep on walkin'. I wish I had the option on Delta.

I’m not sure how long you have been in the 121 environment, however, at one time the norm at most carriers was to only accept as many jumpseat riders as there where jumpseats on the airplane. Over time this policy has evolved and continues to evolve reflecting what we have today, widespread acceptance of unlimited jumpseat riders.

Airtran, on the other hand, is a stand alone in the policy of charging for additional jumpseat riders. Airtran is NOT trending with the industry, and the opposition to your company's policy is entirely founded. I think its safe to say that pilots do not want to see other airlines follow Airtran's lead.

 

[gt1900]

Boris..... What part of "we take the number of jumpseaters that there are jumpseats on the A/C for free" don't you understand.... When we get on cass, and we fill the jumpseat with 1 offline jumpseater, and another pilot for another airline takes a seat in the back, and gets charged $25. How in the hell is that charging for a jumpseat??? The guy in the jumpseat didn't get charged, and he is sitting in the jumpseat.... I know you like to flame bait, but you really can't be that stupid. I think that deep down inside, you realize your just being an idiot..... Would you like us to change our policy to that of Delta..... 1 jumpseat, 1 jumpseat rider. End of story.... As you like to put it...
Nobody at AAI likes the policy, However, it is better than some airlines. I know, why don't you say who you fly for and give us some info about yourself. Oh I know, you like to hide behind your keeboard because you think your cute and funny.... Guess what, most of us get a kick out of your antics.. Usually when I see your posts it reafirms my position that you just cant fix stupid...... And that I'm glad I don't have your life.. Makes me thankfull everyday..... For that, I thank you!!!

 

[Lear70]

another reason i hate offline omc's.

Great comeback.

Insightful, well-thought, and well-articulated. *sarcasm off*

Spinup, NONE of our pilots have said they ADVOCATED the pay for pass plan instead of unlimited jumpseat. In fact, all of them have spoken up to say they DISLIKE IT and our MEC is actively working to change it in negotiations.

That said, as others have mentioned, I wish I had that OPTION when trying to get on an MD-80 via DAL when there are 90 open seats in the back. Instead, I end up two-legging it.

It's all about perspective. Coming from an airline with unlimited jumpseats, it's aggravating, but I don't appreciate it when a carrier only offers ONE jumpseat (DAL) then bashes us for OUR policy which is, by and large, cheaper and easier.

No airline is perfect...

 

[32LT10]

Hey, 32LT10, I'd like to hear you come up with a real response to these two questions he asked you, although I doubt you have one . . . . . .



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Sure I will answer your questions.

AAI top Capt pay is 153. UAL top Captain pay is 182. Just comparing the highest paying pieces of equipment at each airline. The narrowbodies at UAL are the junior Captains and yours is the only one you have. AAI has a 10.5% b-fund and UAL has a 15%. Also your highest paid F/o is $79 bucks an hour.

As for the jumpseat. Do you know what we actually gave in return for unlimited? If so please post it here. I am sure you were privy to the negotiations. By the way the jumpseat was not part of a contract package it was negotiated outside of the contract process.

Again, I think it is fair to have truly reciprocal agreements. All AAI guys that ride on carriers that offer true unlimited OMC should have to kick in $25 bucks or more for the ride.

 

[freightdogfred]

Man, what a thread. I got an idea...Have Airtran only accept ONE jumpseater, period. Then all the OAL pilots will be happy cause they won't be charged the 25 clams. The FL guys will be happy cause they won't take a beating here on Flightinfo. I''ll be happy cause I won't have to read some jacka$$ United pilot's post about another company bending sheet metal. (That one was truly laughable.)

Pilot helping pilots once again.

 

[dh82dvr]

if you have a valid ID and there is a seat you ride. Its that simple.

 

[gt1900]

32LT10.... Great retort...Well in that case, thanks for dragging the narrow body pay down. Thank god for that.. If you really want to compare contracts though. Lets do that. Technically AAI's top pay is $173 an hour for the large narrow body airplanes.. We all know AAI doesn't have 73-800's, but if they did, the contract says 173 an hour... SO, $9 dollars an hour less to fly a 737-800/900 than UAL's 747 and 777.... You know, just comparing the highest piece of equipment.....Lest see here, 350+ seats at 182/hr vs about 172 seats at 173/hr.... Hmmmm.... Something don't add up......... Remember, at AAI you can also upgrade at 3 years so 3rd year pay is around 112 an hour.. I'm pretty sure that if you compare a 30 year carrier to a 30 year carrier, right now, your gonna come out ahead at AAI.... But hey, I'm just an econ major so what the hell do I know!!!

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, 32LT10, apparently you can't answer the questions you were asked, so you picked some other topic, the max pay for aircraft. Pretty stupid choice, since the biggest aircraft we have only seat 137, and our most senior pilots are getting 12th year pay. . . . . If you want to compare apples with apples, I'll put my 5th year AirTran Captain pay against any 5th year pilot you have on the property.

For the rest of you guys, it appears that some of the smaller minds on this board have a problem appreciating the fact that our jumpseat policy matches most other ones out there, except for the few that have unlimited jumpseats.

The obnoxious tones of some of you have convinced me that I am no longer willing to give up anything in our contract negotiations in exchange for unlimited jumpseats. I no longer care to extend this courtesy to a bunch of ingrates. So, if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, I really don't care.

Those of you who ride on us on an ongoing basis have your fellow employees to thank, if this policy doesn't change.

 

[-9Capt]

So, if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, I really don't care.

Those of you who ride on us on an ongoing basis have your fellow employees to thank, if this policy doesn't change.

My thoughts exactly. This certainly isn't my top priority, we have bigger fish to fry.

 

[SkiFishFly]

Tried to jump on AA out of Atlanta this past week (they had a flight that would have got me home 1.5hrs sooner).
There were open seats. Another Airtran guy beat me to the gate and the gate agent siad she was sorry but the computer would not let her process me - as she already had an Airtran guy and we were "limited". I just went back to concourse C and took the AirTran flight.

I know we see this thread about the 25 bucks every once in a while. The reality that I have seen out on the line is that if there are seats, you will get on. We are glad to have you aboard.

I have never heard anyone mention a gate agent charging the 25. If someone were to mention it, I would try to get the gate agent to refund it.

 

[32LT10]

3Technically AAI's top pay is $173 an hour for the large narrow body airplanes.. We all know AAI doesn't have 73-800's, but if they did, the contract says 173 an hour...

How many aai pilots make 173/hour? As I heard someone say a long time ago "when if and but's become candy and nuts we will all have a merry christmas" You can have rates for the Space Shuttle but if you are not flying it, it does not mean squat. How about those AAI f/o rates? $79 an hour? Ouch. Good thing you guys are based in gooberville as you would not be able to afford to live in the big city on those wages. Also, b-fund 10.5 aai, UAL b-fund 15%.

You can go on and on about your dc-9 pay but it is still a small airplane and at UAL the small airplane pays the least. Your company only has small airplanes so that is the one that will pay the most.

I like the American policy of you must give them unlimited to get it. It makes it fair and equitable.

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey, 32LT10-

You seem to be living in sort of alternate reality . . . the string was about CASS at AirTran.

Not to be deterred in your quest to show the rest of us what an idiot you are, you blathered on about how we should have unlimited jumpseats, like your beloved UAL. When someone pointed out you only recently got this benefit, you ignored them and blathered on about pay . . . . when someone pointed out that, on the same equipment, an AirTran pilot makes more than a UAL pilot, you blathered on about how you have widebodies to fly and that Atlanta isn't a "big city" (like any of us care).

If ignorance is bliss, you must be one blissfull mofo. We get it . . . you don't like AirTran . . . how nice for you. Here's a suggestion- Pour yourself a nice big cup of STFU and take your ignorant, "flying-for-a-carrier-who-couldn't-make-money-if-they-printed-it-in-the-basement" @ss home.

But before you go, here's a little more reality for you to contemplate:

Q. What do you call a third-year pilot at United?
A. Unemployed

Q. What do you call a third-year pilot at AirTran?
A. Captain

Still want to compare those FO rates, Chief?


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[twepilot]

he must be the Mayor of gooberville, as he puts it.

RV

 

[Uppercrust]

I've got one:

1) What do you call most 12 year Airtan Captains???
















Scabs!:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

I've got one:

1) What do you call most Airtan Captains???

Here's your answers, Crusty-

A) Employed

B) Not living in their parent's basement, like unemployed Uppercrust

C) Never going to hire Uppercrust, no matter how many times he re-interviews

D) A taxi, to take them home from the party


PS., "Air tan", huh? I kind of like that . . . . think I'll go to the beach today and work on my Air Tan . . . . . Maybe you ought to get out of your parent's basement, Crusty, and get yourself a little sunshine, too.


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[Bosley]

How many aai pilots make 173/hour? As I heard someone say a long time ago "when if and but's become candy and nuts we will all have a merry christmas" You can have rates for the Space Shuttle but if you are not flying it, it does not mean squat. How about those AAI f/o rates? $79 an hour? Ouch. Good thing you guys are based in gooberville as you would not be able to afford to live in the big city on those wages. Also, b-fund 10.5 aai, UAL b-fund 15%.

You can go on and on about your dc-9 pay but it is still a small airplane and at UAL the small airplane pays the least. Your company only has small airplanes so that is the one that will pay the most.

I like the American policy of you must give them unlimited to get it. It makes it fair and equitable.

32LT10:
Maybe you're pissed at Air Tran and Jet Blue because they MAKE money. Either way, its no wonder your airline "YO" Nited has such a bad reputation, because of pricks like you.
I'm glad you fly a big airplane. Do you wear your uniform to the mall on your days off and tell all the people you just came back from SYD? Some things change 32LT10, like the kind of eqp. airlines fly, or a jumpseat policy, you however, will always be an arrogant A$$!

 

[32LT10]

Hey, 32LT10-

You seem to be living in sort of alternate reality . . . the string was about CASS at AirTran.



Q. What do you call a third-year pilot at AirTran?
A. Captain

Still want to compare those FO rates, Chief?

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Chief? You can just call me Captain but thanks anyway. As to the purpose of this thread I have tried to return this topic to j/s's but your buddy gt1900 really seems to want to compare pay rates etc. Then you yourself joined the discussion and asked a specific question about payrates. Very funny how you ask the question not on topic then complain when it is answered. The senior scabs must be teaching you well. When presented with information that is not to your liking immediately change the subject. Do those scabs still talk about the good ol'days of riding to work in buses with blacked out windows?

As to what to call a 3 year AAI pilot? Most likely you would call them furloughed from a major. Or someone that could not get hired at JetBlue.

One good thing you have done tyus (by the way one of our notorious scabs at UAL has the last name tyus) you have made me look at JBLU in a whole new light.

 

[Steeler Fan]

As to what to call a 3 year AAI pilot? Most likely you would call them furloughed from a major. Or someone that could not get hired at JetBlue.

I think Catfish was hired by both JetBlue and AirTran, and was not furloughed from a major.

What does this all has to do with AirTran getting CAASS?

Go Steelers!

 

[rvsm410]

Hey Ty,

Just wondering if the Cass addition and Airtran will allow Dxers to Jumpseat? I for one would have gladly paid the $25 to get home from ATL...as a former ASA Dxers some years ago, I still have to thank you guys at Airtran for getting me home way more often that my own airline or DAL...

I see these topics and I fully understand these are Pilot issues, I just wanted to remind the pilots out here that the dispatchers really do appreciate being included in these prevledges of jumpseating and pass riding just like the flight crews. The dispatch community relies 100% on the pilots to remember us and include us in there contracts...

Thanks from a former Dxers, now back to the regularly scheduled program!

 

[32LT10]

I think Catfish was hired by both JetBlue and AirTran, and was not furloughed from a major.

What does this all has to do with AirTran getting CAASS?

Go Steelers!

Ask Tyrone he is the one that posed the question.

 

[Ty Webb]

Very funny how you ask the question not on topic then complain when it is answered.

Oh, I'm sure that's how you see it. . . . . in your alternate little reality.

Speaking of your alternate reality-I had a UAL 777 CA approach me a few months ago about trying to get a job for his son at AirTran. He sees things going a whole lot differently over there than you.

Have a nice life.


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[-9Capt]

I've got one:

1) What do you call most 12 year Airtan Captains???

Scabs!:laugh: :laugh:

That was actually pretty funny.

Not necessarily 100% true, but still pretty funny.

 

[Uppercrust]

Oh, I'm sure that's how you see it. . . . . in your alternate little reality.

Speaking of your alternate reality-I had a UAL 777 CA approach me a few months ago about trying to get a job for his son at AirTran. He sees things going a whole lot differently over there than you.

Have a nice life.


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Was his son fininshing up his training at Gulfstream??