AirTran gets CASS

[TV9Driver]

32LT10,

Could you please take that comment off of the bottom of your posts about the TWA pilots. Alot of us TWA'ers are not at AA anymore and are in fact at AirTran, the same company you are constantly bashing.

As far as the $25 charge for a non-rev pass, I can understand that you wouldn't want to pay it - I wouldn't either. However, I would have gladly spent the money instead of being left behind by a Delta flight with 70 open seats on it and 1 jumpseater. When I checked into seeing how much an ID90 was going to cost, I was quoted a price of $250. So instead of getting home that night and spending time with my kids for a $25 fee, I spent the night in a sh**y hotel room for $45 and missed my son's T-ball game the next morning.

Remember the jumpseat is FREE. A non-rev pass is $25. At least you have the option at AirTran.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Lear70]

As far as the $25 charge for a non-rev pass, I can understand that you wouldn't want to pay it - I wouldn't either. However, I would have gladly spent the money instead of being left behind by a Delta flight with 70 open seats on it and 1 jumpseater. When I checked into seeing how much an ID90 was going to cost, I was quoted a price of $250. So instead of getting home that night and spending time with my kids for a $25 fee, I spent the night in a sh**y hotel room for $45 and missed my son's T-ball game the next morning.

Remember the jumpseat is FREE. A non-rev pass is $25. At least you have the option at AirTran.

Just my 2 cents.

What he said.

Glad CASS is coming, at least I'll be able to take the cockpit J/S on the NWA portion of my 2-leg commute to ATL because I keep getting bumped on DAL.

 

[seahorse]

Looks like now that you've been ripping off your fellow pilots for a few years, you have the money to pay for CASS.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty, what's the matter?? I would be willing to bet you were a wanna be united guy back in the days. Problem is, you didn't make the cut buddy. Better luck next time!:laugh:

Ha Ha! This is the funniest thing you have written on this board.

I saw UAL's HR Dept for what it was under Nancy S. . . . digusting. What else would you call it when they would hire a "pilots" with 450tt and no turbine experience whatsoever out of our University program, when there were thousands of Branniff and Eastern pilots on the street? Of course the "consummate aviators" hired from the program were either female, minorities, or the drooling, inbred offspring of UAL pilots . . .

So, no, I never applied to UAL and it's been a great thing for me . . . . I started at AirTran after Sept. 11 and have been a Captain for a year and a half, which is a hell of a lot better off than I would be at UAL, regardless of year of hire.

How's your parent's basement treating you, Crusty?

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[twepilot]

hey 32 lt10 or whatever you go by......let me brief and to the point...******************** YOU...Your a friggin idiot.

RV
717 Capt

 

[Uppercrust]

How's your parent's basement treating you, Crusty?

It's great! I just added sorround sound to my entertainment system down here.

By the way, are you and Fletch coming over for Dungeons and Dragons tommorow night?? Just don't bring your pet Iguana. I don't want it crapping everywhere!:laugh: My mother doesn't like to clean up after it while she down here getting my laundry to wash.

 

[Kharma Police]

Uppercrust, why do you have such a problem with AirTran?

 

[Ty Webb]

Uppercrust: Like I said before and I will say it again, Ty Webb, -9 Capt, Best Pilot and Fletch 717 are all the same person.

This is pretty funny, coming from the poster who has used all of the following names:

Chuckie/Yogurt/TexasCrotchRot/Einstein/Boris/Lawman/Lame Lizard.

I have used the name Ty Webb, and only Ty Webb, for the past 5 years . . . And the other AirTran guys you have listed, you'll get a chance to meet 'em soon enough . . . . I hear they're getting close to chopping up the furniture to heat the house in MKE . . . if you're really lucky, maybe you'll get a chance to swing the gear for one of us.

I do have some friends over there and one of them know who the person is that posts as Ty Webb. Says he's a real "winner and likes to play with Iguanas." Not my words, his.

That's not possible, Chuckie. Anyone reading your posts can tell that you don't have any friends. . . . and the only lizard I know of is you.

 

[XRMEFLYER]

Looks like now that you've been ripping off your fellow pilots for a few years, you have the money to pay for CASS.

Spoken like a true dooshbag!

 

[32LT10]

I saw UAL's HR Dept for what it was under Nancy S. . . . digusting.
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How would somone that never applied or interviewed know the name of the HR lady at time? Sounds pretty fishy. It is ok ty. I am sure you have been mentored by some of the finest EAL scabs ever to crawl under a fence. And you wonder why your negotiations have gone nowhere?

 

[Ty Webb]

How would somone that never applied or interviewed know the name of the HR lady at time? Sounds pretty fishy.

How would someone who didn't scab know so much about scabbing . . . You a scab, 32LT10?

 

[32LT10]

How would someone who didn't scab know so much about scabbing . . . You a scab, 32LT10?

How would I know? Well tyus, I walked the picket line and saw those miserable SOB's working and trying to rebid my airline while I walked. I saw them on their way to pep rally's talking about how they were going to keep us off the property so they could reap the windfalls. I saw these same people sue for seniority over others and saw them run to our Training Center to hide from life on the line. So if you don't mind I won't embrace them as you obviously have. Also I wear a battle star proudly for doing my duty. We rid UA of the b-scale and helped tighten the industry, negotiated unprecedented contract rates only to have the likes of AAI and JBLU undercut the industry contracts. Oh well with the makeup of the guys that started VJ who am I to be surprised.

But I digress. This is about jumpseats and how AAI charges a pilot $25 dollars because they don't have the ability or knowledge of how to fix it. I think we should all just do mirror policies. You charge $25, DL does not give unlimited etc. The same rules apply for their pilots when they show up offline. Probably the only way to end the debate of this issue. Once it starts causing difficulties for you and yours is when it will be changed.

 

[Ty Webb]

How would I know? Well tyus, I walked the picket line and saw those miserable SOB's working and trying to rebid my airline while I walked. I saw them on their way to pep rally's talking about how they were going to keep us off the property so they could reap the windfalls. I saw these same people sue for seniority over others and saw them run to our Training Center to hide from life on the line..

If all of the above is true, then you certainly shouldn't be so fast to paint all 1400 of us with a brush that should only be reserved for the 70+ scabs that are here, should you?

I was hired at AirTran post-9/11, as were 800 other pilots, many from your own airline, I might add. We have been working diligently to improve the QOL for all pilots here. One of the things on our list of items being negotiated is unlimited jumpseats, but nothing is free in negotiations, and the more I hear loudmouths like yourself that blame the pilot group for it, the less inclined I am to give up something for it.

Regardless, we are working to change that policy. Until that happens, if some other off-line pilot beats you to the jumpseat, then you can either buy a walk-up pass for $25., or you can slit your wrists. Matters little to me, I only ride on us or Delta, so if you guy go T.U. over there in Chi, it won't affect me.

Have a nice life.

 

[Kharma Police]

How would I know? Well tyus, I walked the picket line and saw those miserable SOB's working and trying to rebid my airline while I walked. I saw them on their way to pep rally's talking about how they were going to keep us off the property so they could reap the windfalls. I saw these same people sue for seniority over others and saw them run to our Training Center to hide from life on the line. So if you don't mind I won't embrace them as you obviously have. Also I wear a battle star proudly for doing my duty. We rid UA of the b-scale and helped tighten the industry, negotiated unprecedented contract rates only to have the likes of AAI and JBLU undercut the industry contracts. Oh well with the makeup of the guys that started VJ who am I to be surprised.

But I digress. This is about jumpseats and how AAI charges a pilot $25 dollars because they don't have the ability or knowledge of how to fix it. I think we should all just do mirror policies. You charge $25, DL does not give unlimited etc. The same rules apply for their pilots when they show up offline. Probably the only way to end the debate of this issue. Once it starts causing difficulties for you and yours is when it will be changed.

If you really were a United striker in 1985 you should be more concerned about your upcoming retirement (or lack there of). Blaming AirTran and JetBlue for your airlines problems shows a lack of maturity that frankly a man (or woman) of your age should already exhibit. Good luck in your twilight years.

 

[32LT10]

Regardless, we are working to change that policy. Until that happens, if some other off-line pilot beats you to the jumpseat, then you can either buy a walk-up pass for $25., or you can slit your wrists. Matters little to me, I only ride on us or Delta, so if you guy go T.U. over there in Chi, it won't affect me.

Have a nice life.

TY,

Ditto brother. Of course after the UAL/DL merger as speculated this week then you just might have to ask a UAL pilot for a ride someday. If that is the case I will make sure to say no.

Also, I have carried AAI pilots to Europe and Asia. Suppose that since we are not needed then I don't have to do that in the future. Thanks for the headsup and bon chance.

 

[Ty Webb]

I have a short, on-line commute . . . . it's a beautiful thing.

 

[32LT10]

If you really were a United striker in 1985 you should be more concerned about your upcoming retirement (or lack there of).

Why I certainly appreciate your concern for my retirement, I have been fortunate to pad the B-fund with luck and contributions. However, if you were really concerned I would think you would be willing to cut a poor old united guy some slack on the $25 dollar ride. If you wish to get into the who has what game I am not willing to play. We had some very good years of earnings as UAL pilots and I was fortunate enough to spend wisely. I hope you are doing the same. Since you obviously have a guaranteed future at AAI, congrats and I would suggest spending every thing you have. Buy a car, second house, boat, plane and various other goodies. There is no chance of you guys not surviving. Spend like there is no tommorow.

 

[JP4user]

I hear your engine-out procedures on 747's out of SFO came pretty close.I can keep this going all day long . . . break out the lawn chairs and coolers, folks.

What about those two United idiots up in Providence. That was a spectacular show of airmanship.

Anyone have the link to that ntsb video?

 

[j41driver]

I'm not sure what is so hard for everyone to figure out:

• AirTran takes as many jumpseaters as there are jumpseats in the cockpit. Just like Delta. (Funny, you don't see many people bashing Delta's policy on Flightinfo.)
• If you are not the first (or second, depending upon aircraft configuration)to request the jumpseat and there are seats available in the cabin, the gate agent will sell you a seat for $25 right then and there. Total cost = $25. Let's say you were trying to jumpseat on Delta and you weren't the first guy to show up, you have to use an ID90 to get in an empty seat in the back. Here's the problem...this ID90 can't be purchased at the gate. You would have had to be purchased through your company's pass bureau well in advance of the flight. So if you don't already have one, you aren't getting on...even if there are 129 open seats on a 130 seat airplane. Cost = much greater than $25...$100 for ATL-PIT actually.
• AirTran pilots do not like this policy...hopefully we'll have unlimited jumpseats added into the contract we're negotiating now. There are a lot of us here that came from regionals that had much better jumpseat policies and know how nice it is to be able to reciprocate fully. Please bear with us as we work this out with management.

BTW - To my knowledge there haven't been any company memos telling what will happen with this policy when CASS shows up. All of the previous comments on Flightinfo regarding how it will be implemented are opinion only at this point.

 

[j41driver]

Since you should not be entitled to a benefit that other employee groups don't have I hope none of your pilots accept the courtesy of an unlimited jumpseat on another carrier. Being as such some other airline pilot and his fellow employees have made the sacrifice to allow you unlimited and you can not do the same I would hope you would stand by your guns and not board.

On the second issue. This would be a perfect opportunity for the other carriers to turn you off from unlimited. This would give you some bargaining power as it would be a benefit for YOUR pilots to ride on other carriers and thus you would NEED to reciprocate to allow YOUR pilots a benefit. This would take away your cop-out of an issue in negotiating a benefit for another company's pilots. That is a lame, lame, lame excuse.

Don't you work at UAL? The same UAL that had to go into Ch 11 and give back BIG $$ several times before they finally had unlimited jumpseats? I can't tell you how many UAL guys I've had take advantage of the unlimited policy at my previous carrier even though they couldn't reciprocate fully.

BTW - He was quoting management's viewpoint on the jumpseat issue not the pilot group's.

 

[32LT10]

Don't you work at UAL? The same UAL that had to go into Ch 11 and give back BIG $$ several times before they finally had unlimited jumpseats? I can't tell you how many UAL guys I've had take advantage of the unlimited policy at my previous carrier even though they couldn't reciprocate fully.

According to your background and avatar I take it you were a ACA pilot. The unlimited OMC on ACA for UAL pilots was not a really any different than writing a pass. Also, as an ACA pilot you had WYO's on UAL correct? If so what was the difference?

I am just advocating a mirror policy for ALL carriers. You say no one bashes DL? I have been very outspoken about their not activating UAL as unlimited until 1/01/07. I think we should turn them off of unlimited also. Make it turly reciprocal and then we can have an even playing field.

 

[bestpilot]

Duuudes, there aints no love on dis ole thread anymore, naw, like negative kharma like all up in here, bro.

 

[j41driver]

According to your background and avatar I take it you were a ACA pilot. The unlimited OMC on ACA for UAL pilots was not a really any different than writing a pass. Also, as an ACA pilot you had WYO's on UAL correct? If so what was the difference?

I spent the first 2 years at ACA on the UEx side and what you say is correct for that period of time. No difference at all.

However, for the next 3 years I flew the Delta Connection side...UAL guys could not pass ride on our Delta Connection side and we didn't have WYO's if we didn't fly UEx. The last 9 months that I spent at ACA was when it was Independence Air...obviously no pass riding for either side then. I carried multiple UAL pilots as jumpseaters on several occasions on both the Delta side and Independence Air even though they couldn't reciprocate.

Make it turly reciprocal and then we can have an even playing field.

That would definately be the most equitable way to go. Can't say I disagree with you on that at all. We are trying to get it changed.

 

[DonVerita]

Back to the topic. How do you justify this as a benefit when the other carriers that offer unlimited don't charge?

You still don't get it do you? I was comparing AirTran to Delta. Their jumpseat policies are the same except that with AirTran if the jumpseat is taken, you have the backup of a $25 Gate Pass, non-rev walkup, Super ID95 or whatever you want to call it.

So I'll tell you what. At our next MEC meeting, I will put on the agenda that we remove the $25 Gate Pass option. Then it will be back to the old ways and be 100% identical to Delta. How about that? Would that make you feel better?

And I'm not here to belittle Delta's policy; only to make a comparison. Delta has been extremely professional and courteous to me. I see that they are heading down the road towards unlimited jumpseats. With our new contract, we will join them. Until then UAL, try to remember back in the days before you took it up the a$$ multiple times while your management squandered your money on fat bonuses for themselves, a failed merger with US Airways, and millions to bankruptcy lawyers. Think back to when you only had a 1 for 1 jumpseat policy. Finally, don't put the spotlight on AirTran as the one and only LCC that -supposedly- caused your demise. SWA had you in their sites decades before AirTran, JetBlue, or Frontier showed up.

 

[-9Capt]

I just took 4 offline jumpseaters MSP-MDW, none were charged, all got business class.

 

[Lowrider717]

DonVerita, your message sounds like you been hanging with the ole Blinder too long. Quit draggin off the company crack pipe and check yourself into rehab before they offer you a position in management. The institution of the $25 charge was nothing but a pay cut for every commuter out there. If we don't get rid of it, its only a matter of time before every airline out there starts charging something for your commute.

 

[Lowrider717]

That goes for all you other quacks who would be 'glad to pay 25 to ride'. Mgt would love for every commuter to be glad to pay 25 or more to ride... dont be glad ...get MAD!

 

[FL_Jumpseat]

Some gate agents charge. But many times they are so busy trying to get the flight out on time that they simply don't have time.

32LT10, like any negotiation, these things take time and we are working on it. If you are truly so angry at AirTran, I will suggest you send Jim or Robert a note requesting that they threaten to cancel our agreement with United in 30 days if our management doesn't remove the fee.

 

[-9Capt]

32LT10, like any negotiation, these things take time and we are working on it. If you are truly so angry at AirTran, I will suggest you send Jim or Robert a note requesting that they threaten to cancel our agreement with United in 30 days if our management doesn't remove the fee.

I 2nd that idea.

 

[stonewall]

I'm not sure why everyone here attacks the pilots for company policy. But, hey, here are my .02.

Air Tran: Have had good luck. Don't like paying $25 if I'm not first, but if I need to get to work, it's a small price to pay. That said, some gate agents have charged me, some haven't. I even had one F/O walk me back to the gate agent and tell her to remove the charge from my credit card. Very cool of him to do that.

Delta: I don't even try. NOTHING to do with the pilots, but all gate agents. They've all treated me like s***. I had one even tell me I must be mistaken about my OWN airline's CASS policy. I do think it's BS for one j/s'er in the back when the half the cabin is empty.

NWA: Good so far. Love Pinnacle!

USAir: Ditto. Trans States has hooked me up, with the exception of one hella rude gate agent out of Pittsburgh.

I'm not sure why we make this so complicated. I know if it was up to us, any empty seat available would be given to another pilot trying to get to/from work (or anywhere else). That's the way it should be. Again, the pilots aren't behind this, so cease fire.

And, yes, any CASS dude can fly on FDX, with a reserved seat 24 hrs in advance. Just call. Granted, most flight times aren't convenient, but the seats are open to y'all.