AirTran gets CASS

[Critter717]

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[newnan]

see previous posts. This is obviously positive for our pilots. It does very little for offline jumpseaters as a whole unfortunately. I hope that everyone that bashes FL is happy we will soon be part of CASS. If you're the 2nd jumpseater you'll still have to pay the 25 bucks. I'd rather see that changed!

 

[Jack Mehoff]

can we start charging airtran guys 25 bucks at the cockpit door when they JS?

 

[Ty Webb]

can we start charging airtran guys 25 bucks at the cockpit door when they JS?

Not unless your wife is in the cockpit, giving it up, like she usually does in your trailer park . . .

Anyone with a brain knows that AirTran's policy is not supported by the pilots, and is still better than getting left behind. I have been refused a ride on Delta and American because they would only take one jumpseater. I would have gladly paid $25 to buy a walk-up pass and get home, instead of $50 for a hotel room and be stuck.

Of course, that $50. hotel included an hour with your wife . . . . but it still wasn't worth it.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

easy Lenard.... I was just joke'n. You might want to try wearing boxers one day and just go'n with the flow buddy. Don't be so up tight.

Besides I'd pay 25 bucks to get your wife to put her shirt back on everytime I goto a Nuge concert (runflats were only ment for cars..)

 

[pipe]

So here's the question. If you gotta sit up front there are either no seats at all in back or you're the 2nd, 3rd, 4th jumpseater, etc..

If this is the case, then is AirTran will actually charging $25 for a seat in the cockpit?? That is one ugly precedent.

I would submit that the only reason the entire industry doesn't revolt against this BS at AirTran is because the only worse place to JS is Delta. It must really suck to be an ATL commuter.

PIPE

 

[bestpilot]

So here's the question. If you gotta sit up front there are either no seats at all in back or you're the 2nd, 3rd, 4th jumpseater, etc..

If this is the case, then is AirTran will actually charging $25 for a seat in the cockpit?? That is one ugly precedent.

I would submit that the only reason the entire industry doesn't revolt against this BS at AirTran is because the only worse place to JS is Delta. It must really suck to be an ATL commuter.

PIPE

Duude! You ever be even tryin dat ole commute on da Tranny? You makin up stuff bouts us Trannies like chargin some Cat to like be sittin in da Jumpseat, bro, when we ain't even set up da program yet. Wazzup wit dat?

I think you says like before dude dat you used to be like one a dem TeeeWay Cats, so like bro, it's like this......................

Jumpseater dude is free and like $25 ID-90s on da spot fer all dem udder offline peeps. (Except now bro, da first offline Cat ain't be on dat cockipit seat until CASS gets goin on).

If you aint no former TeeWay cat, then I gots you messed up wit some udder dude, cause like I been poundin cold ones all day, my brother from some other mother.

Dude, da Trannies Jumpseat policy is BETTER--MO_)--BETTER dan dat stuff dem TeeWay Cats used to have, so like why you hatin so much?

Dude, it's better dan FedEx too, bro (dat where you be now, yah man?), so like why you aint showin no luvvin to da Trannies? Hey Dude, you related to ole Kolski, cause like you actin all like bitter and stuff like dat bro.

But Pipebra, cmon down to the A-T-L and we be treatin you A-Freaking-A-OK!!!

AWWWW YYYEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Uppercrust]

Not unless your wife is in the cockpit, giving it up, like she usually does in your trailer park . . .

Anyone with a brain knows that AirTran's policy is not supported by the pilots, and is still better than getting left behind. I have been refused a ride on Delta and American because they would only take one jumpseater

Sure it was because they only could take one jumpseater? It might have been for other reasons.....like not wanting the plane to be stunk up. I'm sure the Capt was just being polite.

 

[iflyhigh72]

Best Pilot. You're corny man.

 

[-9Capt]

Best Pilot. You're corny man.

You have no idea!!

 

[Ty Webb]

Besides I'd pay 25 bucks to get your wife to put her shirt back on everytime I goto a Nuge concert (runflats were only ment for cars..)

Ha-ha, you must have me confused with someone else . . . we don't have that problem at my house.

I can appreciate your concern, though, since I hear your wife's bra size is 36 Long.

Don't worry, though, you and Uppercrust can spend a little quality time on your next layover, re-enacting scenes from his favorite movie . . . . I think we all know what that movie is. uke:

 

[pipe]

Duude! You ever be even tryin dat ole commute on da Tranny? You makin up stuff bouts us Trannies like chargin some Cat to like be sittin in da Jumpseat, bro, when we ain't even set up da program yet. Wazzup wit dat?

I think you says like before dude dat you used to be like one a dem TeeeWay Cats, so like bro, it's like this......................

Jumpseater dude is free and like $25 ID-90s on da spot fer all dem udder offline peeps. (Except now bro, da first offline Cat ain't be on dat cockipit seat until CASS gets goin on).

If you aint no former TeeWay cat, then I gots you messed up wit some udder dude, cause like I been poundin cold ones all day, my brother from some other mother.

Dude, da Trannies Jumpseat policy is BETTER--MO_)--BETTER dan dat stuff dem TeeWay Cats used to have, so like why you hatin so much?

Dude, it's better dan FedEx too, bro (dat where you be now, yah man?), so like why you aint showin no luvvin to da Trannies? Hey Dude, you related to ole Kolski, cause like you actin all like bitter and stuff like dat bro.

But Pipebra, cmon down to the A-T-L and we be treatin you A-Freaking-A-OK!!!

AWWWW YYYEEAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, let me make sure I got this right. Now, the first guy can't ride in the cockpit and he's free. The upside now is that he still goes for free but has to sit in the cockpit. Or maybe, since he's first, he gets a seat in the back. But wait! That takes us back to square one - where the second or third guy is paying $25 to sit in the pit.

BTW - FedEx takes from 2-8 JS depending on aircraft -- FOR FREE!!! We cannot give any non-CAASS rides for obvious reasons. I would submit, however, that by giving rides to non-CAASS carriers over the past few years, the CAASS carriers have just enabled the cheap-a$$ mgt elsewhere to drag their feet on CAASS approval to save few bucks.

BTW - I live downtown, in a major city, and your fake hood schtick ain't even smellin' it G.

PIPE

 

[Ty Webb]

BTW - FedEx takes from 2-8 JS depending on aircraft -- FOR FREE!!!

Pretty big words from a guy who works for Fedex, since we were carting your commuters around for four years when you had nothing to offer in return . . . . If you don't like the situation at AirTran, where we always take at least one off-line jumpseater (for free) . . . . then don't ask for a ride, Clyde.


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[pipe]

Pretty big words from a guy who works for Fedex, since we were carting your commuters around for four years when you had nothing to offer in return . . . . If you don't like the situation at AirTran, where we always take at least one off-line jumpseater (for free) . . . . then don't ask for a ride, Clyde.


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Everyone takes one off-line JS (for free). Most take more (for free).

I didn't work at FX pre-CAASS - can't help you there. However, all you needed to do that whole time was get Lorenzo's protege to cough up the bucks to get in CAASS.

Never jumpseated on AirTran - in fact I have successfully avoided it 100% - not because I care about the $25, but on principle.

FX has offered everyone in the industry 75% off of shipping. You may not have ever used it (I hadn't until I got here), but it saves some pretty big bank. That is still true - in addition to unlimited free JS.

I'm not trying to beat on AirTran specifically, but half of the domestic legs in this country have gone to RJ's that can't carry the weight, or can't handle the CG, or their pilots are getting screwed because their cheap-a$$ mgt won't pony up for CAASS, or they're charging jumpseaters. Get the picture? The $25 jumpseat is just one of many things that have eroded this benefit for everyone. In many cases it was a hard-won benefit to begin with and it's being chipped away like many others.

PIPE

 

[bestpilot]

BTW - I live downtown, in a major city, and your fake hood schtick ain't even smellin' it G.

PIPE

Dude, I bets dat ole major city and stuff aint even served by da Tranny, but if it be makin you happy and stuff, dats cool, cause with dat Soprano dude pic you got, I aint wantin to get you like mad and stuff cause I aint even wantin to be swimmin wit da fishes or like goin to da mattresses or any of dat udder stuff you gets da family to do.

You come to me on da day of your daughters wedding, wantin to ride on da Tranny? Dude, dat day may never come, but if it does bro, we'll hook you up. Just tell da pilot you're da Pipe, and make him an offer he cant's refuse.

 

[bestpilot]

BTW - I live downtown, in a major city

Dang, lemmie try to like be figurin out where you be commutin from...

Hmmmmm.......I bets it aint no Trannie city, cause you be boycottin da Trannie on principle.


Hmmmmmmm.......You like quit Fronteeer to like fly fer FeD Ex, so you aints livvin in Denver or Memphis cause day be like Tranny Towns.

Hmmmmm, Portland? Colorado Springs? Boise? Mizzoula freaking Montana? Reno? San Antonio? Oklahoma City??? Nashville??


Naw, dats right, you used to be from da TeeeWay!!! So I bets you be from da S-T-L!!!

Dude, dats cool, but when da Tranny be commin into town, we gonna roll out dat welcome mat for Pipe don Vito and da rest of da "family" just please dont be puttin any horse heads in my bed.

 

[Uppercrust]

However, all you needed to do that whole time was get Lorenzo's protege to cough up the bucks to get in CAASS.

Ha ha ha!! :laugh:

Never jumpseated on AirTran - in fact I have successfully avoided it 100% - not because I care about the $25, but on principle

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You are a good man!! It is hard to find those guided by principles these days.

 

[DonVerita]

The $25 jumpseat is just one of many things that have eroded this benefit for everyone.
PIPE

FedEx guy...I will say this one more time:

AirTran DOES NOT charge $25 for the jumpseat. Our policy is the same as Delta's. One jumpseat installed = 1 jumpseat rider. 2 jumpseats installed (most 737-700's) = 2 jumpseat riders. Period. Learn the facts before you go shooting your mouth off.

The $25 is for a non-rev GATE PASS which you may obtain at the gate rather than going through your Pass Dept. for use if the jumpseat(s) were already taken. It is a BENEFIT to you. Do you understand this? At Delta, you would not be given this opportunity. You would sit there at the gate and watch an MD80 push off with 20 open seats. But if you still don't want to purchase the non-rev GATE PASS, then feel free to wait for the next flight and be the first in line for that one...just like you would at Delta.

When we get our new contract, we will have unlimited jumpseats like many of the other carriers, so the Gate Pass thing will be history. Work with the cards we are dealt until then. And thanks for the 75% off shipping. I use it once a year, during the holidays. Your guys use our jumpseats every day of the year.

 

[32LT10]

Not unless your wife is in the cockpit, giving it up, like she usually does in your trailer park . . .

Anyone with a brain knows that AirTran's policy is not supported by the pilots, and is still better than getting left behind. I have been refused a ride on Delta and American because they would only take one jumpseater. I would have gladly paid $25 to buy a walk-up pass and get home, instead of $50 for a hotel room and be stuck.

Of course, that $50. hotel included an hour with your wife . . . . but it still wasn't worth it.

I charge the AAI guys $50 for the ride. I figure they can afford it.

Big deal if you don't support the charge. What are you guys doing about it? Just like the DL guys, and that primitive system they use for the adding of unlimited. If it does not affect you directly then you won't change. Therefore I will be accepting only cash for all AAI OMC's

 

[32LT10]

FedEx guy...I will say this one more time:

AirTran DOES NOT charge $25 for the jumpseat. Our policy is the same as Delta's. One jumpseat installed = 1 jumpseat rider. 2 jumpseats installed (most 737-700's) = 2 jumpseat riders. Period. Learn the facts before you go shooting your mouth off.

The $25 is for a non-rev GATE PASS which you may obtain at the gate rather than going through your Pass Dept. for use if the jumpseat(s) were already taken. It is a BENEFIT to you. Do you understand this?

Yo, donald,

At UAL we don't charge for the "gate pass", you get assigned a seat and sit in the cabin sans a $25 fee. However, I think it is a good idea and will be implementing this "benefit" to all of the future AAI OMC's I have. Since this is such a good deal and they would not mind paying this fee I am sure they would not mind me collecting the cash and forwarding it own to WHQ.

If I cough of $25 bucks to ride on AAI and since it is for a "gate pass" does that mean I have to thank the EAL scab for the ride or even check in with the cockpit? In other words can I just go take a seat and blend in with the crowd or do I have to stand in front of a turn coat and ask him if I can pay $25 bucks for a ride?

 

[fletch717]

I charge the AAI guys $50 for the ride. I figure they can afford it.

Big deal if you don't support the charge. What are you guys doing about it? Just like the DL guys, and that primitive system they use for the adding of unlimited. If it does not affect you directly then you won't change. Therefore I will be accepting only cash for all AAI OMC's

What do you suggest? We have voiced our disagreement over the policy. Should we go on strike for this?

 

[fletch717]

Many times I would gladly pay 25 bones to get on another carrier.

 

[fletch717]

32LT, I hope you do charge all AirTran Pilots 50.00 dollars. Maybe it will keep you from rolling over for another 40% pay cut. What are you doing about that?

 

[32LT10]

32LT, I hope you do charge all AirTran Pilots 50.00 dollars. Maybe it will keep you from rolling over for another 40% pay cut. What are you doing about that?

That is what I am saying. Since the industry is drug down from the bottom I figure I will get my money back from the guys that took us down. Karma.

 

[FL_Jumpseat]

I don't think the 75% discount for shipping at FedEx is related to jumpseating. I'm pretty sure it has to do with Pass Privileges that are between airlines. It allows ALL FedEx employees to buy ID90s and such on other airlines just as it allows those participating airlines to ship on FedEx at significant discount. I may be wrong though.

What are we doing about the $25 charge? We are in contract negotiations (mediation) at this time and it is an item that is up for discussion. United, like many other carriers, hasn't always offered unlimited jumpseats or CASS. Your pilots gave up a lot over the last several years and my management has repeatedly mentioned these concessions everytime I brought up any issue with them regarding CASS or removing the $25 pass fee. Basically equating getting those things with consessions despite me pointing out that there are many other airlines that got that without concessions. Well, I think we finally got a feather in the hat in getting CASS without having to give too much. Next step is the pass fee. Management's position is that, as pilots, we shouldn't be entitled to a benefit that another employee group doesn't have nor should our union be able to negotiate a benefit for another company's pilots. We don't see it that way and are fighting to change it...again without giving in to unwarranted concessions.

If you want to start a jumpseat war or use the jumpseat in any way that denigrates the intent to get people to and from work, there will be no winners...other than management in their efforts to divide ALL pilots.

 

[Ty Webb]

The Village has a new Idiot!

That is what I am saying. Since the industry is drug down from the bottom I figure I will get my money back from the guys that took us down. Karma.

What an idiot. PM me with your name, and I will be happy to pass it along, with all of your idiotic comments, to the many UAL pilots that ride on us everyday from cities you don't serve. I'm sure the Pensacola-based former Navy guys alone will throw you a "blanket party" you'll remember for a long time.

Here's a news-flash- you weren't "drug down from the bottom". Your own management failed you, along with your own "goose-choking" union. I'll bet that $400 million they wasted on "Avolar" alone would come in pretty handy now, wouldn't it? And you clowns managed to "drag down" Delta and NWA with you, as you floundered in bankruptcy for nearly four years!

As for scabs, I'll bet you have more former scabs on your freaking Hotel Committee than we have on our entire seniority list . . . .

A United pilot once posted on this board that United "had the best training in the industry" . . . . I sure hope so. Some of the clowns and buffoons they hired from my University's flight program were the most unable and untalented group of "aviators" that ever "checked a box".

'Nuff said.


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[32LT10]

As for scabs, I'll bet you have more former scabs on your freaking Hotel Committee than we have on our entire seniority list . . . .





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Wasn't one or more of your scabs involved some those FAA issues and a major news event for Valujet/Airtran?

At least we have not been shutdown by the FAA for our lapses, yet. Or had to change our name because of the stigma associated with the hazards of our company.

And don't forget to say hello to forklift Joe. I am sure he loves getting $25 bucks from offline pilots.

Back to the topic. How do you justify this as a benefit when the other carriers that offer unlimited don't charge? Is this a backbone issue or just the molding of the makeup of the list?

By the way, is that a photo of Ron Jeremy as your avatar?

 

[32LT10]

Management's position is that, as pilots, we shouldn't be entitled to a benefit that another employee group doesn't have

nor should our union be able to negotiate a benefit for another company's pilots.

Since you should not be entitled to a benefit that other employee groups don't have I hope none of your pilots accept the courtesy of an unlimited jumpseat on another carrier. Being as such some other airline pilot and his fellow employees have made the sacrifice to allow you unlimited and you can not do the same I would hope you would stand by your guns and not board.

On the second issue. This would be a perfect opportunity for the other carriers to turn you off from unlimited. This would give you some bargaining power as it would be a benefit for YOUR pilots to ride on other carriers and thus you would NEED to reciprocate to allow YOUR pilots a benefit. This would take away your cop-out of an issue in negotiating a benefit for another company's pilots. That is a lame, lame, lame excuse.

 

[Ty Webb]

Wasn't one or more of your scabs involved some those FAA issues and a major news event for Valujet/Airtran?

Blaming her for an uncontained cargo fire would be like me blaming your crews for 9/11.

But, if the best you can do is dig up the Valujet crash, which was ten years ago, I guess we must be doing a pretty good job. Especially since we have had 20%+ growth for each of the nearly five years that I have been here.

At least we have not been shutdown by the FAA for our lapses, yet.

I hear your engine-out procedures on 747's out of SFO came pretty close.

I can keep this going all day long . . . break out the lawn chairs and coolers, folks.


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[Uppercrust]

What an idiot. PM me with your name, and I will be happy to pass it along, with all of your idiotic comments, to the many UAL pilots that ride on us everyday from cities you don't serve. I'm sure the Pensacola-based former Navy guys alone will throw you a "blanket party" you'll remember for a long time.

Here's a news-flash- you weren't "drug down from the bottom". Your own management failed you, along with your own "goose-choking" union. I'll bet that $400 million they wasted on "Avolar" alone would come in pretty handy now, wouldn't it? And you clowns managed to "drag down" Delta and NWA with you, as you floundered in bankruptcy for nearly four years!

As for scabs, I'll bet you have more former scabs on your freaking Hotel Committee than we have on our entire seniority list . . . .

A United pilot once posted on this board that United "had the best training in the industry" . . . . I sure hope so. Some of the clowns and buffoons they hired from my University's flight program were the most unable and untalented group of "aviators" that ever "checked a box".

'Nuff said.


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Ty, what's the matter?? I would be willing to bet you were a wanna be united guy back in the days. Problem is, you didn't make the cut buddy. Better luck next time!:laugh: