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wood pecker

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Does anyone at AirTran feel that AAI might not be the best bet of the LCC 5 years from now? I would hate to leave profitable SkyWest if JetBlue is going to put the squeeze on AAI in the midwest once the 100 seaters are all up and running.

My 4 refrences at AAI are now junior captains but are now looking heavily into Continental and JetBlue. They strongly advise me to look elsewhere as payrates at AAI will probaly only come down on the captain side.

Thanks for any advice.
 
Nothing is ever a sure thing! We can only hope for the best. Just because your company is doing great/poorly now, does not mean that in 5 years it will still be so. Look at the legacies! All were top of the game a few years ago but now its quite the opposite. Same can be said for all of the LCC’s including SWA. What happens if Herb leaves SWA? We all take a gamble.

When I got hired at my previous regional, Air
Wisconsin and Comair were the best regionals out there with the best QOL. 5 years later its not so anymore. Last year, NetJets sucked, but now it’s a great place to be. Same with the LCC's. Who would of thought of taking a job at Airtran 5 years ago? People would have been on this very message board telling you that you are f$%$#ing crazy but if you had, you would be a captain on a 717 or 737 right now pulling in $140k. I fought hard to get in here, waiting patiently for my PIC. But I was looking hard at Airtran 4 years ago, when not many people were interested.

Dont let the current state of the industry dictate where you go. Because it will not always be that way, that’s the only guarantee. If Buffet sells Netjets, the QOL could go downhill really fast at NJA and if Herb Kelleher leaves SWA, life might go down hill really fast for them too. What if United buys CAL or vice versa? CAL sounds like a great place to work but a lot of people will soon be furloughed if that happens. Jetblue sounds like a good company, and I have lots of friends there and they love it. But its not where I want to be. Im at Airtran and I love it. Don’t get me wrong, Jetblue has a great product. The IFE is the wave of the future, and if they didn’t have that, then we honestly wouldn’t hear that much about them. They would just be another LCC. Frontier is now starting to add seatback televisions to their fleet and so is Westjet, and I think eventually all airlines will. Then what will separate JetBlue from everyone else? Not Much. Airtran also has IFE although there is no picture attached. We have XM satellite radio and the passengers love it! Over 100 channels of News, Sports and Music, Im sure eventually we will add seatback television as well. But probably wait for the technology to get cheaper, and lighter.

As far as Jetblue, sure it’s a quick upgrade….. for now…. But if something were to happen and they stopped hiring could you live on the ERJ FO pay indefinitely? Same could happen at Airtran, but I know I could live just fine on the FO pay. I have no illusions about this industry. I know I made the choice that was right for me... and honestly, I am less worried about my future at Airtran hitting the crapper than I was my future at my old regional. Airtran will be around for a long long time.

I guess in summary its a gamble. There are no sure things even though something looks like a sure thing right now. My vote is to go with the job that will keep you close to home. i.e. no commute. That will be the thing that matters most in the end. Time spent watching your kids grow up, and hanging out with your wife.
 
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Well, I'm betting it'll be a good place to be 5, 10 and even 20 years from now; as (I'd bet) a majority of the other pilots here do.

As for any squeezing out by competitors, only time will tell; but I'll take our track record over just about anyone in the current environment.

As for the pay-rates question....I wish I had the crystal ball that your "captain friends" have. If I did, I'd not only be able to answer your other questions, but I'd know which lottery numbers to pick and my only worry would be which beach to pick for my retirement home. I seriously doubt that they have any more info than I have, and that is not much.

As for where to go, apply to all and take the first offer. If you get more than one offer you'll have to consider your own questions, otherwise the point is moot.
 
wood pecker said:
They strongly advise me to look elsewhere as payrates at AAI will probaly only come down on the captain side.

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Pay rates are only going to go up. If your buds are telling you otherwise, I'd tell them to grow a spine.
 
wood pecker said:
Does anyone at AirTran feel that AAI might not be the best bet of the LCC 5 years from now? I would hate to leave profitable SkyWest if JetBlue is going to put the squeeze on AAI in the midwest once the 100 seaters are all up and running.

My 4 refrences at AAI are now junior captains but are now looking heavily into Continental and JetBlue. They strongly advise me to look elsewhere as payrates at AAI will probaly only come down on the captain side.

Thanks for any advice.

Here's some advice. See the bold print above. These guys are giving you some good advice. Stay away. Go to Continental
 
Weak Pecker, you posted this same type of question exactly ten days ago, and already got the same info. Seems to me that someone as nervous as you probably needs to forget all about us and move on . . . .

Our pilot group has been polled by an independent contractor three different times, and has given the union clear guidance on what it will take to get an agreement signed, and it will involve modest increases, not givebacks. This has remained constant and strong . . . . so, either your "captain friends" are in the minority, or perhaps they are trying to steer you elsewhere because of your lack of testicular fortitude.
 
Uppercrust said:
Best advice you will ever get!!!

Yep, soon as those recalls start, Snake, errr, Crusty, or whatever you're calling yourself this week- you can probably look forward to moving out of your parent's basement and into a halfway house.
 
Ty Webb said:
Weak Pecker, you posted this same type of question exactly ten days ago, and already got the same info. Seems to me that someone as nervous as you probably needs to forget all about us and move on . . . .

Our pilot group has been polled by an independent contractor three different times, and has given the union clear guidance on what it will take to get an agreement signed, and it will involve modest increases, not givebacks. This has remained constant and strong . . . . so, either your "captain friends" are in the minority, or perhaps they are trying to steer you elsewhere because of your lack of testicular fortitude.

Ha Ha!
 
I would take the advice of the guy standing in front of the Beech 1900. He looks like he knows what he is talking about. After all he is making the big bucks at Gulfstream!
 
What is the current status of negotiations at Airtran? When is the amendable date? Have openers beeen exchanged? etc.
 
Ty Webb said:
Yep, soon as those recalls start, Snake, errr, Crusty, or whatever you're calling yourself this week- you can probably look forward to moving out of your parent's basement and into a halfway house.[/quote]

Woudn't that be terminal C in Atlanta???
 
-9Capt said:
Pay rates are only going to go up. If your buds are telling you otherwise, I'd tell them to grow a spine.



We'll see has the last laugh when the NPA is forced to take concessions!
Like all of us I wanted the uniform, to fly a cool jet as quick as possible, to feel equal to my friends, have hot chicks look at you during boarding while you flip switches and look cool, and all that other stuff
 
commuterpuke said:
We'll see has the last laugh when the NPA is forced to take concessions!
Like all of us I wanted the uniform, to fly a cool jet as quick as possible, to feel equal to my friends, have hot chicks look at you during boarding while you flip switches and look cool, and all that other stuff
YGBSM! Are you serious? Your attitude represents a lot of what is wrong with the industry. It seems pretty clear that you would be very happy if AirTran pilots took a big paycut. You must really want to be a "commuterpuke" for the rest of your career.

I personally think that once the legacy's restructure and/or 1 goes bye bye (could be mine, who knows) they will be more competitive with the LCC's than they have been. Then I think that the LCC managements will seek even lower costs to keep the advantage and the race to the bottom will continue. BUT: If you ever want to get out of that 1900 and make more than 15k you better, among other things, hope that pilots from other airlines, including Airtran, are able to stand up and maintain pay/benefits and get increases when possible. A rising tide floats all boats. To "get the last laugh" and hope that they fail is like throwing a big party to celebrate your latest paycut or demotion. Makes about as much sense as the crap you put at the bottom of your posts.
 
I don't know what's more sad, the flame-baiter or the flame-baitee.
 
ATLDRVR said:
I would take the advice of the guy standing in front of the Beech 1900. He looks like he knows what he is talking about. After all he is making the big bucks at Gulfstream!

Actually that guy in the pic is at Airtran now.
 
commuterpuke said:
We'll see has the last laugh when the NPA is forced to take concessions!


Mr Vomit,

You seem smart. Tell me how the pilots of AirTran will be "forced to take concessions".
 
Your complete lack of knowledge is astounding.

commuterpuke said:
Your management has said that they expect concesssions from the NPA.

And they can have them. All they have to do is declare bankruptcy and prove to a judge that they don't have the money to pay us.
 

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