Airtran Fleet Update

[Ty Webb]

Re: What's an Aerologist?????

An Aerologist is one who fills the inflatable doll with hot air in the relative comfort of their parents' basement and then, when overcome with guilt pretends to analyze another human being, thereby remaining safe from introspection and avoiding separation anxiety.

 

[mnboyev]

What a bunch of garbage. Whats the point of getting 'into it' with some dude on the internet. Not very entertaining at all. And making personal slams is just plain unprofessional. \

Come on guys... Some of you folks sound like pissy Flight Attendants. Lets raise the bar not lower it.....

I'm all for the little green evergreen after working the early Ft Meyers stuff.

 

[FLB717]

I prefer the ones from Yankee Candle Shop (Clean Cotton or Rain Forrest) vs. the Pine scents from 7-11.

Come on guys get a life here, geez

 

[C77MD80]

Start a new thread?

Hey, can you guys start a new thread if anything interesting comes up about the Airtran Fleet Update? This thread was hi-jacked a while back and the child-like dribble is starting to come out of my screen........

 

[P38JLightning]

oh yeah...

FBC,

Good answer on the taxes thing. That makes sense. Atlanta needs all the tax rev it can get, that's for sure. And I'm sure a good relationship with the local FSDO also is good for business.

I can't remember the call sign of this poster, but:
>>P38JLightning,

Boy, you are sure WAY off in your assumtption about unlimited 50s, 70s, 90s and unlimited use of Ryan at AirTran.

There is very specific language in the contract tied to outside flying, and is limited to 70 seats. It is restricted to a certain % of ASMs according to the number of aircraft AirTran operates.

The reason Ryan operates at all is due to a side Letter of Agreement to this scope portion of the contract, and it too, has VERY specific limits.

Maybe you had best find another source of information, like getting a copy of the contract and actually reading it, instead of just posting something that you either "heard" or just made up.
<<


Gees Dude, settle down.

I didn't assume any such thing, I only ASKED what kind of scope AT has and mentioned how IF you had unlimited outsourcing that would be a bad thing. The 70 seat limit sounds good, but its something you may want to lower in your next contract, namely because of the new 70 seat EMB products. Industry pay rates on those things are in the toilet.

When AT gets to around 100 planes (not sure exactly how many the 737-700 will seat) assuming an average of 130 per plane, 4 flights a day for every plane leaves room for around 40 seventy seat EMB's, flown for industry cut throat rates by the low ballers (you know who you are).

When AT gets around 200 planes, the seat average could be closer to 140, 150 or bigger, especialy if -800's are optioned, and management could have the option for as many as 100 super nice, long range, not an RJ by any stretch of the immagination, MAINLINE 70 seat A/C to be OUTSOURCED aoutide the AT seniority list.

Do you think management really needs that kind of "flexibility"?

Personaly I hope AT lowers the seat limit of what they can outsource considerably. Temporarily outsourcing to Ryan was a smart move, IMHO, and I'm glad it has strict limits (remember, I NEVER said there wasn't limits, I only ASKED about wether or not there was limits).

But 100 Mesa (or other's) 70 seater EMB's being flown by AT without AT pilots is NOT something AT needs to be profitable, again IMHO. Perhaps you disagree. But in either case, chill a little bit. No one is taking shots at AT or spreading misinformation, as you suggested (without even reading my post) least of all me.

 

[Prof. Joe Vee]

I thought I smelled something.

Professor Joe Vee
Aerologist

 

[flx757]

P38JLightning,

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. It appeared to me that you made the assumption AirTran had no scope language to allow "unlimited" 50, 70, 90, etc...seat aircrat. So, If I misunderstood...I apologize.

Maybe you have read the news recently that AirTran has terminated their agreement with Air Wisconsin and now will have NO RJs operated by an outside contractor. Also, Ryan is a very short timer, as well. As soon as the 737s start arriving this summer, that will probably be the end of that.

Joe Leonard has publically stated in the press release announcing the end of the Air Wisconsin service the desire to keep all flying in house. He believes it is more ecomnomical.

I don't think there is a huge issue about entering into contract negotiations with "unlimited" RJs flying around, given the recent goings on.

Then again...I'm just a pilot (actually I WAS just a pilot), so what do I know?

 

[Ty Webb]

Originally posted by Prof. Joe Vee
I thought I smelled something

Professor Joe Vee
Aerologist

Professor Joe Vee, you should probably check your pants. I think you've had an accident.

 

[CatfishVT9]

What is it with that guy? All he does on this board is bash AirTran. A pitiful existence.

I used to have a neighbor that always introduced himself as "Doctor". We always just called him "tool".