AirTran contract question

[A330Driver]

Is it true that CA's are able to pick up open time trips as First Officer's there at Air Tran?

Thanks

 

[Captain Jeff]

Yes. They can and there are a few that do it. Then there are others that scheduling has tricked into doing it. They have done things like look to see who is non reving on a flight. Then call and ask if you will fly your leg home..... as f/o... because the flight will be canceled and you dont. Once they get some ass to say yes, they reassign the f/o that was already assigned that flight. The airtran philosophy is that your on reserve once you check in for a trip. So they take the original f/os trip away. This is a really crappy place to work.

 

[scrub]

no, they can't pick up open FO time, they have to be asked by scheduling or the real dipsh#ts call scheduling!

 

[maxblast72]

no, they can't pick up open FO time, they have to be asked by scheduling or the real dipsh#ts call scheduling!

That is a true statement. There is no way for Captains to pickup FO trips in FLICA.

We have about 20 or 30 more First Officers on the 717 now than we did during 2006 or 2007 (with the same number of 717s on the property). I haven't seen many Captains flying as FO. Last one I saw was a check airman almost a year ago.

 

[Ty Webb]

I have only had a CA show up to fly FO with me one time, and it was l-o-n-g before any furloughs. I have never had a CA fly FO on one of my flights since.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Yes. They can and there are a few that do it. Then there are others that scheduling has tricked into doing it. They have done things like look to see who is non reving on a flight. Then call and ask if you will fly your leg home..... as f/o... because the flight will be canceled and you dont. Once they get some ass to say yes, they reassign the f/o that was already assigned that flight. The airtran philosophy is that your on reserve once you check in for a trip. So they take the original f/os trip away. This is a really crappy place to work.

It is crappy because the pilot group allows it to be. A union is only a union when unified. There are 1600 pilots that pay union dues at Airtran but there is no union. Too many that do not stick to the contract, too many that do not know the contract, too many that will bypass the contract if it fits their needs at the moment, too many that bend over to be on time and do a good job like the cheap w************************* they are, too many that do not get involved ( I see the same people at the picketing events), too many that do not vote and most of all... those ridiculous brown leather jackets. They do not even have enough spine to get black ones.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Brown leather, black leather? Is one "company issue" and the other not?

 

[Captain Jeff]

Well, brown is company APPROVED. You have to pay for each piece of your uniform.

 

[Colonel Savage]

So do some pilots wear black ones to be bold?

 

[Lear70]

So do some pilots wear black ones to be bold?

I'm sure it's because the brown ones are ugly and can't be worn anywhere else except work for the most part... who wears a brown bomber jacket??

There WAS a great sense of momentum building about 6 months ago but the union put the brakes on to try to keep the pilots from getting too spooled up before we were really ready to push towards a strike vote. Took a lot of the wind out of our sails, so to speak, and the next LEC/MEC leadership group that takes the reins in March will have to work to get it back.

Getting everyone (including your committee chairs) rowing in the same direction will go a long way towards that.

 

[Colonel Savage]

"Getting everyone (including your committee chairs) rowing in the same direction will go a long way towards that."
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Disappointing openers from the company during compensation, scope and scheduling section negoiations should do that also. Be prepared for that.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

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It is crappy because the pilot group allows it to be. A union is only a union when unified. There are 1600 pilots that pay union dues at Airtran but there is no union. Too many that do not stick to the contract, too many that do not know the contract, too many that will bypass the contract if it fits their needs at the moment, too many that bend over to be on time and do a good job like the cheap w************************* they are, too many that do not get involved ( I see the same people at the picketing events), too many that do not vote and most of all... those ridiculous brown leather jackets. They do not even have enough spine to get black ones.

ANGUS c'mon chime in here c'mon!!!!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

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It is crappy because the pilot group allows it to be. A union is only a union when unified. There are 1600 pilots that pay union dues at Airtran but there is no union. Too many that do not stick to the contract, too many that do not know the contract, too many that will bypass the contract if it fits their needs at the moment, too many that bend over to be on time and do a good job like the cheap w************************* they are, too many that do not get involved ( I see the same people at the picketing events), too many that do not vote and most of all... those ridiculous brown leather jackets. They do not even have enough spine to get black ones.

Malcom, Angus chime in here guys you know you want to!

 

[Lear70]

Disappointing openers from the company during compensation, scope and scheduling section negoiations should do that also. Be prepared for that.

We've come to EXPECT the crappy openers. I'd be worried if they DIDN'T put something worthless out there for the remaining sections... If nothing else, that should help solidify the pilot's resolve.

 

[Skaz]

Any advice for more desperate pilots out there considering applying at Airtran? Apart from dont.

 

[Lear70]

App window is closed for now. If you haven't applied, you'll have to wait for the next round.

 

[Clyde Frog]

Any advice for more desperate pilots out there considering applying at Airtran? Apart from dont.

desprate is a quality AirTran will be looking for. they like to walk all over you and a desprate pilot is a rag doll to them.

 

[bmpilot]

I have only had a CA show up to fly FO with me one time, and it was l-o-n-g before any furloughs. I have never had a CA fly FO on one of my flights since.

It does happen alot lately.