Airtran - a warm welcome my friends

[Fubijaakr]

It won't be a staple, no matter how much the junior f/os at SWA want one.

 

[vixin]

That's strange, because the SWA guys on here last week were claiming that ALL of the SWA deliveries were to replace old hulls, Plans change on a drop of a hat here. Who knows what the plans were on future deliveries at either company. YOU dont know and non of us do. To use future deliveries is a joke and is very telling of your experience. and that ALL of AirTran's orders would be to replace old SWA hulls, too, so there would be no growth. :laugh:

AirTran was actively hiring and training pilots, Since? Again for those of YOU that are slower. Dont you think our plans were alterd to make this purchase. I dont know maybe. with a class of 22 starting every month through March, Then they to could have been on the streets when you went on strike with no protection when, suddenly, we stop hiring, and SWA, who hadn't hired anyone since '08 suddenly starts hiring about when you furloughed wasnt it or was that 09? I think our hiring has been explained well enough. Some are just to slow to understand it I guess. . . . . so it looks like we're already bringing stuff to the table. No not really!

I think it's past time for Ty Web and lear70 and a few others to admit the obvious- Southwest is bringing quite a bit more to the table: 32 gates at ATL, plus LGA and DCA and BOS slots Do you even fly, BOS doesnt have slots?, plus 30 additional cities that SWA doesn't serve, plus International Ops. How many cities do Airtran pilots get, slots at EWR and LGA plus gates at DEN, DAL, ABQ, etc. Looks like we bring a hell of alot more. Plus those pesky things called pay, benefits, QOL etc. International that was close on the horizon also.

It'll be a good fit, but we need to stop arguing about this stuff and let the arbitrator settle it, I agree. then get down to business. Put your little red Swingline Stapler away, Milton!

Ty

Some of you guys are so funny. Maybe Airtran should have bought SWA. Oh thats right you couldnt. Then what would you guys be saying? What a bunch of hypocrites! This just makes it all easier. Except for the pee ons like us. Heres to the next year. It should be interesting. Ill just stay away from these forums. A bunch of people including myself speculating on stuff we know wont matter.

 

[Ty Webb]

Some of you guys are so funny. Maybe Airtran should have bought SWA. Oh thats right you couldnt. Then what would you guys be saying? What a bunch of hypocrites! This just makes it all easier. Except for the pee ons like us. Heres to the next year. It should be interesting. Ill just stay away from these forums. A bunch of people including myself speculating on stuff we know wont matter.

Agreed, why bother? I'm over it, too.

PS., We had EWR slots and gave 'em up two years ago, you can have 'em. :laugh:

 

[islandhoper]

Talk about a change in the intended direction of this thread...

AirTran brings a lot to the table, if not SW wouldn't spend 1.4 bill (ATL?)... And yes SW brings a lot to the table too, in terms of a Very descent pilot contract.

Now, can we get back to counting how many beers we'll be buying each other and how we are going to kick a$$ once we team up?

 

[rajflyboy]

Talk about a change in the intended direction of this thread...

AirTran brings a lot to the table, if not SW wouldn't spend 1.4 bill (ATL?)... And yes SW brings a lot to the table too, in terms of a Very descent pilot contract.

Now, can we get back to counting how many beers we'll be buying each other and how we are going to kick a$$ once we team up?

Yes Air Tran brings a lot to the table:

1. Aircraft
2. Routes
3. Gates

4 ??? There is not a 4 because SWA didn't buy the Air Tran employee's

 

[vixin]

PS., We had EWR slots and gave 'em up two years ago, you can have 'em. :laugh:

You will soon have them to brother. I apologize for getting heated. Gotta protect my current SWAPA brethren. We will all know soon enough. Cheers!!

 

[ASADFW7]

None of the nasty stuff we say is accomplishing anything constructive but venting our frustrations in public. When those frustrations are directed at other people though they get tired of being in the direction of those remarks.

There are several hot buttons we can push that are either rumor or fact that can totally set the other side off. I do not know what that will accomplish, besides bargaining in public. It is Saturday night, enjoy it.

 

[JR Man]

Airtran would never reach the size of Southwest if you received "industry standard rates." Welcome to WN.

 

[N813CA]

Come on now who wants to buy Comair

 

[Tejas-Jet]

I'm buying the first round too. Welcome aboard.

BTW....no SLI has ever been completed on any internet web board....let the respective comittees hash it out while the rest of us drink beer and eat nachos.

I'm in !!!

 

[Bake]

I'm more for getting laid! Ya'll can have my beer and nachos.

 

[asaflyer]

I've come to the conclusion that most folks who are trying to stir up crap between swa and AT don't even work for either one. It's not that hard to change your type list to show either a 73 or 717. Relax and think before you post guys. Don't try to defend yourself or position to a RJ driver. Happy flyin'.

 

[WNC Flyer]

Thanks for the welcome. The 717 is actually a DC-9-717. So there is no type difference between a 717 and a DC-9. The big stuff is actually very similar in both airplanes, its the cockpit and the automation that is different.

There's about a 0% chance that any current SWA pilot will fly the 717. Those guys will be fenced until the leases run out. Then they'll transition to the 737. Just imagine all the qual training that would have to be done if they had an equipment rebid after the SLI? Doesn't makes $en$e.

 

[DonVerita]

Yes Air Tran brings a lot to the table:

1. Aircraft
2. Routes
3. Gates

4 ??? There is not a 4 because SWA didn't buy the Air Tran employee's

Well well...I was wondering when you'd show up here Ronald. Still furloughed from NetJets? Trolling from your basement again.

Let me explain some common sense to you:

When Corp. A merges operations with Corp. B on Monday; Corp A must service that network or loose it. To keep that network humming, you do that with employee's from Corp. B. Follow me so far? Now since AirTran is a Major airline, which you probably still can't comprehend what that is, SWA can't just waive a magic wand and have AirTran re-staffed by Friday. That means that employees come over with their equipment. There is also a few regulatory items like Allegheny-Mohawk and Bond-McCaskill that come into play here. Google those two on your little Atari 800 and see what they mean.

So when AirTran merges with SWA, they don't come hat in hand. They bring a Major airline fleet of 137 Boeing jets, 50 firm orders and the professional union pilots to fly them alongside their new co-workers at SWA.

But there is even one more thing that they bring that is more powerful than either company could create by themselves: CRITICAL MASS. Yes, this one umbrella item is going to be what allows the combined carrier to survive and grow amid the mega carriers of Delta/NWA and United/CAL.

You on the other hand will still be a insignificant piss ant troll. Enjoy your new job as C-172 flight instructor.

 

[JT12345]

The stable is illegal. Congress made it so. And trying to do it round-a-bout leads to a judge ruling against you and other companies getting the award while bidding with less money.

These guys talking stable are jealous. .Period. They would love nothing more for us to suffer, and the deal to fall apart. They are probably shaking in their boots because we will be a force to deal with on the eastcoast. They r worried about their jobs. (btw, never stop worrying no matter who you work for).

This flamebait is a lure for you to spill your beans and expose your postion.

Say nothing.

 

[JT12345]

BTW,

To the OP. Thanks for the invite. I look forward to seeing old friends.

 

[Ty Webb]

The stable is illegal. . . . .These guys talking stable are jealous. .

Stable? What the hell do horses have to do with this? Do you have a cold or something?

 

[Ty Webb]

You will soon have them to brother. I apologize for getting heated. Gotta protect my current SWAPA brethren. We will all know soon enough. Cheers!!

I know you have to look out for your brothers. Vixin. My only concern is that if enough Pilots keep repeating the mantra that "AirTran's not bringing anything to the table" there are going to be a lot of guys that will have a hard time stomaching the SLI because they've convinced themselves that AirTran's not bringing anything to the table.

Southwest has proven itself to be a great airline, but it was getting to be a mature airline, with senior, more costly employees, and much of the low-hanging fruit (routes) had already been picked.

Now, they are getting nearly three dozen new destinations, losing a serious competitor, gaining access to the busiest airport in the world, gaining Caribbean and Mexico routes (Canada, eh?) plus 137 new(ish) airframes and the pilots to operate 'em. We are gonna ROCK!

Can I get an A-men! Hah!

Brutha Ty and the family Stone

 

[V1 ROT8]

AirTran was actively hiring and training pilots, with a class of 22 starting every month through March, when, suddenly, we stop hiring....

Are you sure this wasn't due to your attrition coming to a screeching halt?

 

[Ualexpress]

Attrition? What attrition? We may lose a few guys a month to places like Emirates or other foreign carriers, but definitely not 160 over the next 6 months. That was what was planned for new hire classes through March.