AirTran 737 Captains voting "NO"

[scrub]

Wow!!!! Lots of maturity here, it's amazing you guys can fly airplanes!

 

[freightdogfred]

It is truly sad that some people's obvious passion cannot be put to good use and try to make this difficult situation better. Instead, dump that fuel on the fire. Nice. It should be obvious who this is directed to. There are arrogant, self-centered asses on both sides of this deal, so don't feel like you are alone.

I did not "Win Big". I will lose my 737CA seat after six years in it, I will lose my base and have to commute (the most frustrating part), I will lose a defined contribution plan, I will lose thirty-two percent seniority, etc. I also get to be treated like the unwanted, red-headed step child for years to come. Not a win, at all. Completely, shockingly opposite from what I expected. COMPLETELY.

I thought the protections of the first agreement were ridiculous, overly complex, and expensive. If the "Fair and Equitable" part of the whole "Welcome to the SWA Family" was indeed meant to be followed, DOH would have probably been the most fair for both sides, letting the chips fall where they may, followed by arbitration if the two sides were too far apart. Plain and simple. A certain process to be followed was agreed to in the beginning and that is what i had expected. I never, ever thought I would be forced to vote with a gun to my head for my job. I never thought SWA and the famous culture would do that to 1700+ pilots already welcomed to the family.

What a difference one year can make. Good luck to all; even the arrogant and self-centered.

Flame on, if you must.

Well, glass is half full, or half empty. Look what you DO get.

1) A nice, glossy slick magazine with pretty pictures of airplanes and a "best moustaches" page free of charge till 2015.

2) A chance to really get to know Andy over at Mr C's, you can swap fishin stories with him and become a regular, the WN guys already promised to buy you a beer. Or, you'll have a regular supply of Sourdough bread the bakery is right near the airport in Oakland.

3) A chance to root for a new team that might go to the SuperBowl...are you a Raiders, Bears or Ravens fan by chance? (I'm picking the Ravens to go all the way)

At least SW is a good company, everyone's happy there and most of the guys I've met are great guys, with a few exceptions. (you know who you are) It ain't exactly a sweatshop over there. It is what it is, it should be better but it could be worse, c'est la vie. Good luck to all of us.

 

[maru657]

I thought the protections of the first agreement were ridiculous, overly complex, and expensive. If the "Fair and Equitable" part of the whole "Welcome to the SWA Family" was indeed meant to be followed, DOH would have probably been the most fair for both sides, letting the chips fall where they may, followed by arbitration if the two sides were too far apart. Plain and simple. A certain process to be followed was agreed to in the beginning and that is what i had expected. I never, ever thought I would be forced to vote with a gun to my head for my job. I never thought SWA and the famous culture would do that to 1700+ pilots already welcomed to the family.
On the other hand, in the future you'll be able to observe that famous culture unravel as two disparate pilot groups circle each other like boxers looking for an opening. It's nothing new in this industry. Imagine the feelings of some Southwest captain flying with a former Airtran captain watching every move and looking for mistakes with the FAA on speed dial. It ought to be entertaining.

 

[humveedriver]

Have fun with that Maru. Not getting violated is hard enough with out looking for trouble. I doubt that kinda of crap will be tolerated by either side. Try reading freight dogs post again.

 

[Fubijaakr]

I did not "Win Big". I will lose my 737CA seat after six years in it, I will lose my base and have to commute (the most frustrating part), I will lose a defined contribution plan, I will lose thirty-two percent seniority, etc. I also get to be treated like the unwanted, red-headed step child for years to come. Not a win, at all. Completely, shockingly opposite from what I expected. COMPLETELY.

Really? Given the history of how Herbalife and his clone, the God King have treated other pilot groups? You should have at least recognized you were going to get raped just by what the F9 guys experienced.

DOH would have probably been the most fair for both sides, letting the chips fall where they may, followed by arbitration if the two sides were too far apart. Plain and simple.

Exactly. Career expectations for both sides are the same...737 CA. However, the arrogance of the SWA group won out.

I never, ever thought I would be forced to vote with a gun to my head for my job. I never thought SWA and the famous culture would do that to 1700+ pilots already welcomed to the family.

But you're not part of the family. You were "Acquired, not Hired". You didn't pay the $5K for a 737 type rating to buy an interview. You're inferior. Obviously, you didn't recognize that.

You seriously need to bow down, face West, and genuflect to the God King while you get raped. And do it with a smile on your face, please.

Imagine the feelings of some Southwest captain flying with a former Airtran captain watching every move and looking for mistakes with the FAA on speed dial. It ought to be entertaining.

There you have it. DoH would have totally negated this. But, BOTH of your groups are voting for it and BOTH of you will reap what you sow.

Remember the Law of Unintended Consequences...

 

[Sacha]

Youre brilliant Maru......at the inquiry the FAA will then say..."so you watched him making a mistake and said nothing?"........then SWA will say Captain gets a month off.....First Officer gets fired......

Maru....were you on the Airtran negotiating committee?........


Worse yet, he ends up being a real dumb******************** like the Western DC10 F/O circa 1980 or so, who hated the Captain so much, he kept his mouth shut as the Captain shot an approach to a closed runway in Mexico City...waited a little too long to point out the error and they all ended up dead.....

Boy, he sure showed him......Idiot.

 

[madjack]

I never thought SWA and the famous culture would do that to 1700+ pilots already welcomed to the family...

ALPA is spinning this thing in the papers to try and get a no vote on the SWA side...so forget the happy horse poop about culture, this has been and will remain a fight for seniority...AAI pilots wanted the SWA seniority and the pay and benefits...DOH is NOT going to happen unless we (SWAPA) vote this down and we go to arby...if we are that foolish (as your MEC was on AIP1), then we deserve what we get in arby...

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, glass is half full, or half empty. Look what you DO get.

1) A nice, glossy slick magazine with pretty pictures of airplanes and a "best moustaches" page free of charge till 2015.

I started to grow one of those moustaches a few years ago . . . . . I showed up for my first flight, and the lead F/A, a rather outspoken, yet attractive young lady, looked at me, and said, "Oh, HELL NO!".

When I got to the hotel, I took her advice. . . . I wonder if she took mine?
:laugh:

 

[Fubijaakr]

DOH is NOT going to happen unless we (SWAPA) vote this down and we go to arby....

Wow, you slipped up. The truth came out of an SWA pilot. You're correct...an arbitrator would give the AAI guys DoH or some kind of fenced ratio deal.

And that's EXACTLY what the greedy SWA guys are afraid of...not being able to vault over the earned seniority of the AAI pilots.

Its also the reason this Sacka crap will pass.

 

[madjack]

Wow, you slipped up. The truth came out of an SWA pilot. You're correct...an arbitrator would give the AAI guys DoH or some kind of fenced ratio deal.

And that's EXACTLY what the greedy SWA guys are afraid of...not being able to vault over the earned seniority of the AAI pilots.


Ok, so why don't the AAI pilots vote it down if the next stop is arby and they will get a better deal in arby? Is that what you are recommending mr FUBI?