Airlines for America Commends Bipartisan Effort for Answers on Abu Dhabi Agreement

[KarmaPolice]

Money talks in the USA, and the spineless walk. Solid middle class jobs will continue to be outsourced to the ME. And, as a slap in the face, on this site, and elsewhere, we have 777 flying big shot expats bragging about their "QOL" and superior product, as if they were geniuses for undercutting their neighbors and countrymen.

 

[Varmint]

Money talks in the USA, and the spineless walk. Solid middle class jobs will continue to be outsourced to the ME. And, as a slap in the face, on this site, and elsewhere, we have 777 flying big shot expats bragging about their "QOL" and superior product, as if they were geniuses for undercutting their neighbors and countrymen.

While you may interpret many of the facts as "bragging", on the flip side of the coin you have guys who can't fathom why someone would go overseas to work or why someone would do something differently from what they envision. If someone plays dirty pool and throw insults and make fun of someone for deciding to work in a location/company that they would not have chosen, then the "facts" and "benefits" of working at such a place will probably come out in a retort.

The jobs here are middle class also....wouldn't a shortage of pilots in the US enhanced by outsourcing to the middle east actually benefit wages/conditions at US carriers rather than hurt them?

 

[SIG600]

While you may interpret many of the facts as "bragging", on the flip side of the coin you have guys who can't fathom why someone would go overseas to work or why someone would do something differently from what they envision. If someone plays dirty pool and throw insults and make fun of someone for deciding to work in a location/company that they would not have chosen, then the "facts" and "benefits" of working at such a place will probably come out in a retort.

The jobs here are middle class also....wouldn't a shortage of pilots in the US enhanced by outsourcing to the middle east actually benefit wages/conditions at US carriers rather than hurt them?

Not when those State sponsored carriers are Circumventing US labor laws. Can Delta pay third world ramp workers from Pakistan $5/day? Can United tell flight attendants they're done flying at 27 thus keeping the FA pool younger and paid less? How's that pilots union working out at Emirates, Qatar, etc.? Feel like you'll be ok if you happen to have a bad day? Management got your back since there is no union? Gonna get that upgrade in seniority order?

Let's not forget major ($160 billion) aircraft purchases with gov't money, which is then FINANCED with US taxpayer dollars, at interest rates US carriers can't get.

I could go on, but what you postulate is an assembly line worker moving to China to do the same job, taking his job and the industry with him, then wondering why all his old friends back home hate him.

 

[madjack]

Dicko is right, DL should Compete in that market: bring high yield ME pax to US...even state run carriers want to make a profit and competition in UAE would be healthy..the $$$ are in the ME oil countries and the US wants to facilitate travel to the US to get those petro dollars in the country...

 

[Noserider76]

In return did we get a customs pre clearance facility in the US for The UAE? If not, why?

 

[Varmint]

1. Not when those State sponsored carriers are Circumventing US labor laws. Can Delta pay third world ramp workers from Pakistan $5/day? Can United tell flight attendants they're done flying at 27 thus keeping the FA pool younger and paid less? How's that pilots union working out at Emirates, Qatar, etc.? Feel like you'll be ok if you happen to have a bad day? Management got your back since there is no union? Gonna get that upgrade in seniority order?

2. Let's not forget major ($160 billion) aircraft purchases with gov't money, which is then FINANCED with US taxpayer dollars, at interest rates US carriers can't get.

3. I could go on, but what you postulate is an assembly line worker moving to China to do the same job, taking his job and the industry with him, then wondering why all his old friends back home hate him.

1. US labor laws are complied with for employees in the USA. Why should anyone comply with US labor laws in countries other than the US....that's stupid and shortsighted. The US is not the only country on the globe.

Delta does pay third world rampers $5 a day when they are loading/unloading in Dubai and many other countries. Maybe if they want to take advantage of low labor wages they should hub out of Mexico.

2. Legal purchases that were approved by the US government. Get mad at the right people.....the elected policymakers.

3. Do you have a job...is the airline industry healthy in the US? Does the sky fall much at your house....sounds like it. If you look at the history of the aviation industry since deregulation there are highs and lows...it has nothing to do with pilots going to foreign carriers.