Airline Pilot Unions

[siucavflight]

I like the idea of the french maid, with big tits serving me bud light.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I like the idea of the french maid, with big tits serving me bud light.

.....except for the "bud light" part.... Anchor Steam or Sierra Nevada please..... ALPA would try to give us Bud Light...... (TIC for Rez)

 

[pilotyip]

Pigs ear

Pilotyip...
Are you saying that unions, that are at a disadvantage, with the deck stacked against them, should take the high road? Sure it is easy to say yes on FI, but pragmatically, if they did, thier membership would cry foul and say the union leadership was under the CEO's desk....

No all am I saying unions have limitations, as much as everyone would like to change things and make things better. There are limits. That is why all contracts are local in nature, you can not impose an ALPA FedEx contract terms on a ALPA Kitty Hawk contract. Unions can not make sink purses out of pig's ear.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No all am I saying unions have limitations, as much as everyone would like to change things and make things better. There are limits. That is why all contracts are local in nature, you can not impose an ALPA FedEx contract terms on a ALPA Kitty Hawk contract. Unions can not make sink purses out of pig's ear.

So then...what's the issue?

 

[Nevets]

Because we have bad tax laws in this country Rez.... Hillary and Obama will make them worse..... How about the fair tax? How about tax reductions?

Hey we agree on something...... you shouldn't pay taxes on reimbursements.... Then again, I don't believe ANYONE should pay income taxes....

I agree with you 110%. The FairTax would be more fair and Hillary or Obama will raise our taxes.

 

[Nevets]

What Do You Get for 1.95%?
The Best Pilot Union Money Can Buy ​

ALPA members support their union’s many activities through dues representing 1.95% of their airline income. Where does that money go? What do members get in return? These are legitimate questions, and they all have answers that point to one conclusion:
Your dues dollars pay for a level and range of services that pilots need, demand, and could not get anywhere else. With ALPA, your dues dollars buy a lot more as part of a larger group than could be afforded by an individual pilot group at 1.95% of income.
Unfortunately, we have seen a few “reports” that claim otherwise. By quoting various sources out of context, including government filings, they use innuendo and outright accusations to attack the Association and present an inaccurate and incomplete view of ALPA’s expenditures through a distorted lens. What follows is a more detailed “walk-around” to put those various expenditures into proper perspective.
Volunteers Don’t Come “Free”
One of ALPA’s biggest expense categories is the cost of supporting the vast network of pilots who volunteer their time and energies for ALPA safety, security, bargaining, and representation activities. The Association simply could not function without them. Only one pilot member is an ALPA employee getting a paycheck—the President. ALPA’s President must be independent from any one airline and responsible only to the Association’s members.
Out of both fairness and practicality, volunteers cannot be expected to foot all their own losses when performing ALPA business. Besides obvious out-of-pocket expenses, some volunteers may have to drop trips in order to perform certain functions. Long ago, ALPA recognized the need to make up for some or all of its volunteers’ lost income (always with their MEC’s support).
Flight pay loss is essential
Flight pay loss (FPL) expenditures are carefully monitored and controlled, and ALPA’s policies require each MEC to report flight pay loss expenditures to the membership on a regular basis. ALPA pays approximately one-fifth of its total dues income ($22 million in 2006 alone) toward flight pay loss. Only about 14% of that amount is to allow pilots to participate in the work of ALPA’s National Committees. The rest is paid by MECs for their pilots to work on the issues that are important to their individual pilot groups. In other words, these expenses were authorized by your local leaders to support your pilot group’s activities. Ask any volunteer: A pilot union cannot be effective without extensive use of FPL.
Your pilot reps determine National Officers’ compensation
In addition to the pilot representatives at ALPA’s 42 pilot groups, the union has four full-time National Officers: President, First Vice President, Vice President–Administration/Secretary, and Vice President–Finance/Treasurer. Their reimbursements are fixed by Board of Directors policy (your elected reps).
The ALPA Board of Directors, which is made up of the elected reps from every pilot group within our union, adopted a fixed formula for calculating presidential compensation in 1970, with modifications and additions made by the Board every four years since. In 2006, the President’s salary was based on the average pay of the highest-paying pilot position at the top three ALPA airlines. Beginning in 2007, the President’s salary is based on the average pay of the highest-paying pilot position at the top five ALPA airlines.
FPL compensation for ALPA’s three other National Officers is at the rate of the highest-paying equipment each is entitled to hold in accordance with his system seniority at his airline. All the National Officers who held office from 2003 through 2006 took the pay cuts that occurred at their respective airlines or, in the case of the President, cuts that were reflected in the airline formula approved by the Board of Directors.
FPL for National Officers is not incorporated into the ALPA disbursements in the LM-2 report because the Officers are paid directly by their airline and ALPA reimburses the airlines for the FPL costs. (Also, the National Officers receive no retirement or benefit plan other than the one provided by the contract at their airline.)
What is a “service allowance”?
All ALPA National Officers receive a service allowance (to cover expenses incurred in their duties as National Officer) and a dislocation allowance (to cover housing, meals, and travel expenses for the Washington, D.C., area, which has one of the highest costs of living in the nation). Such allowances, which are reviewed annually by the Special Compensation Review Committee (composed of five ALPA MEC chairmen) and approved by ALPA’s Board of Directors, are taxable income, so the pre-tax amounts shown on LM-2 reports are set to provide adequate post-tax amounts to cover living and other expenses, including commuting to their hometowns.
ALPA’s Executive Administrator, selected by the President, also receives FPL reimbursement and allowances under provisions identical to those of the National Officers other than the President and which are approved annually by ALPA’s Executive Council.
These allowances comprise approximately 80% of the disbursements ALPA makes to its three other National Officers and the Executive Administrator and reported on its LM-2. The remaining disbursements include vacation cash-out (consistent with the policy of the particular National Officer’s or Executive Administrator’s MEC) and reimbursement for expenses incurred while performing ALPA business. The President’s salary is also included in his disbursement amount as reported on the LM-2.
According to the BOD-approved compensation provisions for National Officers who retire while in office, ALPA will pay “the difference between what the officer earned, on average, during the six months immediately preceding becoming a Retired Member and the airline-funded retirement income he or she is entitled to receive.” This “differential pay” is paid directly by ALPA to the applicable National Officer and is also included in the disbursements on the LM-2.
All such disbursements and reimbursements are subject to policies approved by ALPA’s pilot-run governing bodies—MECs, the Executive Board, or the Board of Directors. Again—your elected reps.

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[Nevets]

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ALPA Staff Is the Best in the Business
Because of its unique identity as a labor union, a collective bargaining representative, and a safety and security advocate, the Association requires a broad range of staff expertise. Pilot members have made it abundantly clear that they will accept nothing less than well-credentialed and highly experienced staff to support them in the Association’s work.
ALPA members have also demanded that long-term staff be retained to guard against the memory and knowledge gap that inevitably occurs when pilot officers and representatives return to line flying after volunteering. ALPA is fortunate to have attracted extremely well-qualified and dedicated professional staff.
Consultants cost more
Senior members in virtually every department have between 20 and 35 years of ALPA experience.
These senior staff members provide service on behalf of any one or more of the 42 airlines whose pilots ALPA represents, and they do that work when, where, and how it needs to be done. Given such extensive hours, ALPA has determined that it is in both the union’s and the members’ best interest to employ these professionals rather than to pay $200–$400 or more per hour for consultants or outside attorneys. The Continental and FedEx pilots voted to return to ALPA in 2001 and 2002, respectively, largely because they concluded that only ALPA, with its staff focusing exclusively on pilot issues, had the professional expertise to help them meet the needs of their pilot groups.
With 60,000 members, $105 million in dues revenue, 390 employees, 20 offices, approximately 200 “units” (MECs, LECs, departments, national committees), a captive insurance company (Kitty Hawk) providing insurance protection and over $225 million of funds invested, ALPA is a sizable operation that requires significant financial and operating expertise. But economies of scale permit ALPA to employ qualified staff across units much less expensively than if each unit stood on its own.
ALPA must compete for its high-quality staff
To ensure that the Association can attract well-qualified employees, ALPA strives to compensate its employees at levels that are competitive for their positions in the area in which they live. (Nearly two-thirds of our employees live and work in the Washington, D.C., metro area, where the cost of living is over one-third higher than the national average.)
Figures quoted to you from government LM-2 filings include not just salaries, but also the cashed-out value of vacations that employees were unable to take due to the heavy workload, along with reimbursements for required work-related travel and other out-of-pocket expenses that the Union is required to report to the government.
Staff reduced, salaries frozen after 9/11
ALPA staff has not been immune to the financial woes of the industry. Fifteen percent of ALPA staff positions were eliminated between 2003 and 2006 as pilot compensation and dues revenue dropped after 9/11. The salaries of the remaining employees—from senior management to those represented by ALPA professional and administrative unions—have been frozen periodically, and their pay increases have been lower than in earlier years. Obviously, workloads for the remaining employees have increased substantially to cover the loss of 15% of their colleagues.
Clearly, the average member sees little of this. But virtually any pilot volunteer who has worked with the staff and depended on their support will agree that ALPA could not provide the services demanded by our members without these dedicated workers. Again—just ask them.
Third-Party Suppliers Play a Role
Even with its highly effective staff, ALPA MECs and the national organization must use outside consultants, attorneys, and other specialists. All of these services are covered by ALPA policy, which requires that they be approved by ALPA’s Executive Council.
Some of the vendors—such as Aviation Medicine Advisory Services (AMAS), which provides aeromedical advisory services to ALPA members through ALPA’s Aeromedical office in Denver—are funded exclusively out of ALPA’s National account. However, the vast majority of billing for outside law firms and consultants—including Cohen, Weiss and Simon (bankruptcy, collective bargaining, and representation legal services) and the Wilson Center (polling)—were incurred by and charged to applicable ALPA MECs. Expenses associated with other consultants—including Buck Consultants (actuaries) and Milestone, Athena and Peter J. Solomon (investment bankers)—were incurred exclusively by MECs.
The Bottom Line: Best in the World vs. . . . ?
Through 76 years of representing pilots, ALPA has assembled a team of pilots and staff unrivaled in their knowledge, expertise, dedication, and cost effectiveness. These resources are funded according to policy and reviewed by your elected representatives—line pilots whom you choose to protect your best interests. The resources you see, and the ones you never see, are provided through business practices created by pilots and run by pilots and are not available through any other single source. If you think you can do it better than ALPA, just ask the FedEx and Continental pilots. They found out the hard way.
Those who selectively highlight government reports and “grandstand” using figures that they don’t understand are not providing accurate information and are doing you a disservice...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I agree with you 110%. The FairTax would be more fair and Hillary or Obama will raise our taxes.

The question is....

Do you want to pay 30% tax on 100,000
or
pay 40% tax on 200,000/yr.


Not sure if many pilots like the Pilot Salary Reduction Act for the BK era enacted by the GOP Congress and Bush WH?


Anyone?

 

[JoeMerchant]

The question is....

Do you want to pay 30% tax on 100,000
or
pay 40% tax on 200,000/yr.


Not sure if many pilots like the Pilot Salary Reduction Act for the BK era enacted by the GOP Congress and Bush WH?


Anyone?

So your saying that if we elect Democrats, our salary will double from 100,000 to 200,000 per year? That's quite a stretch even for you Rez....

Just curious how that will happen with the Democrats? It didn't happen to me during the Clinton years.......

Regarding BK, if United and USAir had been allowed to go out of business, the remaining carriers would have been healthier..... Delta probably would not have declared BK....Did ALPA support allowing the weak carriers to go away?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So your saying that if we elect Democrats, our salary will double from 100,000 to 200,000 per year? That's quite a stretch even for you Rez....

How much were UAL and DAL pilots making at the end of the 90's? How much have they been making for the past three years?

Do you think we will have the ability close section 6 better/sooner with a pro labor NMB or the current one?

Just curious how that will happen with the Democrats? It didn't happen to me during the Clinton years.......

That is because we aren't talking about you Joe. we are talking about us..

Regarding BK, if United and USAir had been allowed to go out of business, the remaining carriers would have been healthier..... Delta probably would not have declared BK....Did ALPA support allowing the weak carriers to go away?

Let me guess Joe... you'd like to be the guy that goes around and delivers the news to the pilots whom ALPA decided to "allow" to go out of business.

While pilots are hanging on the the lifeboat of career survivial... you are the guy that wacks them on the hands and head and says... you gotta go so we can stay....