Air Wisconsin letter?

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Pilots,

As mentioned in yesterday’s Fast Read, the Master Executive Council traveled to headquarters in Appleton this afternoon to receive a briefing from the company with regard to the UAL RFP. Present for the company were Jim Rankin, Bob Frisch, and Joel Kuplack. Representing ALPA were all LEC representatives, MEC officers, Bill Patterson, and Jane Schraft.

The company presented a brief summary outlining the history of the RFP to date, which they believe is in some form of its’ final stages. The MEC was advised that Air Wisconsin stands a good chance of obtaining this new business if several factors play out, one of which involves the pilots directly, which is what I will focus on tonight. In costing pilot liability (expense), Air Wisconsin felt they needed to significantly reduce pilot cost in order to remain a part of the RFP, let alone be competitive. In light of this estimation, they submitted what ultimately was a 16 percent reduction from current CBA figures. This 16 percent is for UAL (new) flying, which, when shared across the US Airways flying would be an estimated 5-6 percent global concession from the current contract. While the MEC did not know prior to today’s meeting what the briefing would entail, we certainly were not surprised by the request for give backs due to past experience, and were prepared to respond. With this as the back drop, the MEC unilaterally rejected the company’s request for concessions to obtaining new flying. There are many reasons for the MEC to respond in this fashion, and the following represent some key components they weighed prior to taking this position:

-This pilot group is currently working under an agreement that has suffered deep, unrealized concessions for UAL

-This pilot group is being squeezed daily for maximum productivity under the current agreement

-We believe our pilot costing models show that Air Wisconsin pilots are indeed cost comparable to other pilot groups with secured flying for UAL

-The UAL RFP is direct replacement flying for MESA Airlines, another APLA carrier. It is against ALPA policy, as resolved at the 2006 ALPA National Board of Directors meeting, to accept concessions in the name of growth or to take flying previously performed by another ALPA carrier.

The above are just some of the MEC’s concerns and a part of their reasoning process which led to this decision. It is a high priority of your ALPA representatives to help ensure that Air Wisconsin remains successful, profitable, and a long term employment option for our pilots. With that in mind, we certainly hold high hope that our owners and senior leadership find a way to secure additional flying, most certainly with United Airlines. It is, however, not acceptable to have this growth lay on the backs of our professional pilots.
We believe that the business model of “cheap, at all costs” is a business model that works very well in a bankruptcy era, but that era has long since past. Now is the time for quality to thrive, and Air Wisconsin built its reputation on quality. We are indeed concerned about the future of Air Wisconsin, beyond 2015, and we feel the best road to a prosperous future is by adhering to quality and having a solid, time proven business plan - a plan that does not participate in the recently popular “race to the bottom”.

Your ALPA representatives will continue to work with Air Wisconsin management to maintain and enhance the production of a safe, efficient and quality product. Although we are disappointed that our management has again placed the fate of our growth in the employee’s hands, rather than in headquarters where that responsibility belongs, we remain confident that in the end our company will find success in quality, not quantity.

Please feel free to contact any of your elected leaders to discuss this update further. We appreciate your involvement and most certainly will provide additional hotlines should there be any future developments.

In Unity, and to our future
 

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Yes, they asked us for paycuts to "get" the UAL flying. Flying that they probably knew they wouldn't get. I think they asked us so they could turn around and say, "If only you had agreed to the paycuts, we would have got the flying" and hope that we would believe it.
 

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Word to the wise...if you must give concessions in order to get something in exchange, include a firm rollback provision so that you can revoke the concessions if things don't turn out the way you expected.
 

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-The UAL RFP is direct replacement flying for MESA Airlines, another APLA carrier. It is against ALPA policy, as resolved at the 2006 ALPA National Board of Directors meeting, to accept concessions in the name of growth or to take flying previously performed by another ALPA carrier.
Hmm...wasn't XJT awarded this flying? Aren't they APLA?






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Good Job Air Wisconsin. We at Comair are proud of you. You stood up for yourselfs.
 

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IMO, any reduction in flying for Mesa and/or SkyWest is a good thing. Mesa is run by a tyrant who refuses to bargain in good faith with his employees and the SkyWest pilots refuse to organize and fight for the collective good of the industry. Both of these companies cripple any efforts to raise the Regional bar.

Congrats to the XJet guys. I also gotta tip my hat to the Air Wisconsin MEC. Keep up the good work!
 

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Xjet pilots have raised the bar but to what end? boat load of airplanes out doing nothing and company picking flying at a loss so that they can make things look on the up and up. Don't you think other managements are looking at that as well, what incentive is there? Everyone is trying to underbid each other. Can you imagine what would hapeen if there were 10 Expressjets instead of one? Eventually it would turn to what it is now. It's just impossible for everyone to have the cake and eat it too in this industry. It's a doomed business model in terms of qol for the labor. The last thing we should be doing is saying "any reduction in flying for mesa and skywest is a good thing". The unions also have done a very good job of pining pilots against each other as well. Whatever happened to unity!!
 

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Our REPs voted 6-0 against any concessions. Two of our REPs think they never were in the running for the UEx flying.
 

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Xjet pilots have raised the bar but to what end? boat load of airplanes out doing nothing and company picking flying at a loss so that they can make things look on the up and up.
You must not remember when SkyWest and Mesa got awarded large amounts of flying for United and Delta sending pilots from the likes of Air Wisconsin, Comair, ASA, etc to the street via furlough. This came about because the pilots of these 2 airlines, like discount hookers, agreed to fly the airframes for less than anyone else. At SkyWest I voted against flying aircraft with up to 99 seats for 50 seat pay but my pilot brothers practically pissed their pants, they were so excited to get their hands on a CRJ700 heavy. Then came the CRJ900 and well, the rest is history.

At what point do you say, "enough is enough, I am a professional". There are already pilots collecting food stamps. I commend the folks at Air Wisconsin and Express Jet who have towed the line even as thier regional brothers stabbed them in the back. The Mesa and SkyWest "quick upgrade at all cost" mentality is disgraceful.

Don't you think other managements are looking at that as well, what incentive is there? Everyone is trying to underbid each other. Can you imagine what would hapeen if there were 10 Expressjets instead of one? Eventually it would turn to what it is now.
Eventually something has to give BUT pilot wage concessions are NOT the answer. Do a little research and you will discover just how minimal pilot pay is when compared to the many other expenses associated with conducting a flight. Don't drink the management cool aid. They want you to think your pay is the problem. As a captain at SkyWest, I found that the small changes in piloting technique of a content pilot verses a disgruntled pilot could have more than offset the cost properly compensation.

It's a doomed business model in terms of qol for the labor. The last thing we should be doing is saying "any reduction in flying for mesa and skywest is a good thing".
It is only doomed with ignorant individuals like yourself who do not see the big picture or take the time to crunch the numbers of what everything "really" costs. Instead, you seem to hang on every word of the anti-labor propaganda spewing from your management team's mouth. It looks like you fly for Mesa so I guess it all makes sense now.

The unions also have done a very good job of pining pilots against each other as well.
Under Prater, ALPA has not done a very good job. I have said before, I think Prater should be recalled. Having said that, I believe collective bargaining through an industry wide unified voice is the ONLY way to turn the ship around. The SkyWest and Mesa pilots have proven time and again that they are not willing to do this therefore I hope they lose more flying.
 

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You must not remember when SkyWest and Mesa got awarded large amounts of flying for United and Delta sending pilots from the likes of Air Wisconsin, Comair, ASA, etc to the street via furlough. This came about because the pilots of these 2 airlines, like discount hookers, agreed to fly the airframes for less than anyone else. At SkyWest I voted against flying aircraft with up to 99 seats for 50 seat pay but my pilot brothers practically pissed their pants, they were so excited to get their hands on a CRJ700 heavy. Then came the CRJ900 and well, the rest is history.

At what point do you say, "enough is enough, I am a professional". There are already pilots collecting food stamps. I commend the folks at Air Wisconsin and Express Jet who have towed the line even as thier regional brothers stabbed them in the back. The Mesa and SkyWest "quick upgrade at all cost" mentality is disgraceful.



Eventually something has to give BUT pilot wage concessions are NOT the answer. Do a little research and you will discover just how minimal pilot pay is when compared to the many other expenses associated with conducting a flight. Don't drink the management cool aid. They want you to think your pay is the problem. As a captain at SkyWest, I found that the small changes in piloting technique of a content pilot verses a disgruntled pilot could have more than offset the cost properly compensation.



It is only doomed with ignorant individuals like yourself who do not see the big picture or take the time to crunch the numbers of what everything "really" costs. Instead, you seem to hang on every word of the anti-labor propaganda spewing from your management team's mouth. It looks like you fly for Mesa so I guess it all makes sense now.



Under Prater, ALPA has not done a very good job. I have said before, I think Prater should be recalled. Having said that, I believe collective bargaining through an industry wide unified voice is the ONLY way to turn the ship around. The SkyWest and Mesa pilots have proven time and again that they are not willing to do this therefore I hope they lose more flying.
Nice post, but just so you know it's kinda wasted. cx880 is a gojet pilot, so he won't understand a bit of it.







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Under Prater, ALPA has not done a very good job. I have said before, I think Prater should be recalled. Having said that, I believe collective bargaining through an industry wide unified voice is the ONLY way to turn the ship around. The SkyWest and Mesa pilots have proven time and again that they are not willing to do this therefore I hope they lose more flying.
As a Skywest pilot, where do you get information about what Prater has or hasn't done for ALPA regional pilots? Since Prater took office, the regionals have been a significant focus of ALPA at the national level. The resources ALPA are devoting to rebuilding the regional airline pilot groups are phenomenal. It takes a lot of time to turn things around in this business, and ALPA is fighting an uphill battle with the likes of Republic and other airlines constantly undercutting established wages and work rules. Prater may not be perfect, but as regional pilots we are in a much better position today than we were 3 years ago with Duane Worth at the helm.
 

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As a Skywest pilot, where do you get information about what Prater has or hasn't done for ALPA regional pilots? Since Prater took office, the regionals have been a significant focus of ALPA at the national level. The resources ALPA are devoting to rebuilding the regional airline pilot groups are phenomenal. It takes a lot of time to turn things around in this business, and ALPA is fighting an uphill battle with the likes of Republic and other airlines constantly undercutting established wages and work rules. Prater may not be perfect, but as regional pilots we are in a much better position today than we were 3 years ago with Duane Worth at the helm.
I am no longer a SkyWest Pilot. If you show me how to change my screen name I will do so to avoid further confusion.
 

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The SkyWest and Mesa pilots have proven time and again that they are not willing to do this therefore I hope they lose more flying.
Well Skywest is a lost cause. They're out on the West there in mormon country where the sun shines and there are no delays flying new 7s and 9s. They've all drowned in the company koolaid a long time ago. Give the dog what it wants and he won't bother you. Cheaper than having a union to divide your earnings. Last I heard Skywest had about 900 million in the bank? Can you imagine what a union could do with that?? Hmm....

Mesa on the other hand are victims. While the last TA was not industry leading it was in the right direction. The company is on the brink of liquidations what do you expect out of them? The previous TA which they flew under and where they tripled in size was a concessionary contract to get rid of the Freedom certificate, they had no choice. Otherwise they would have turned into what TSA is now.
 

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Remember what happened about 8 years ago when mgnt. tried something very similar. Methinks they're using the ol' playbook again. Stand strong, stay unified and support your brethren.

That said; mgmnt. has the strong arm in this game and the reality will come down to risking your paycheck versus taking small pay cut to ensure your future. Since the AWAC group is pretty young, they could concieveably take a little concession for the 'global' cause. This is big business pure and simple. I certainly don't think anyone here will think any less of you than they already do if you decide to be a team player.
 

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That said; mgmnt. has the strong arm in this game and the reality will come down to risking your paycheck versus taking small pay cut to ensure your future. Since the AWAC group is pretty young, they could concieveably take a little concession for the 'global' cause. This is big business pure and simple. I certainly don't think anyone here will think any less of you than they already do if you decide to be a team player.
F**k that sir. This pilot group will never support concessions, period.
 

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I flew for air wisconisn back in the day. Does anyone who is still there remember giving up pay to "secure our united flying contract". Then about a year later the flying got taken away. It turned out our flying was never secured, despite the fact that we took a pay cut. However management still let us go on flying at a reduced pay rate.
 
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