http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/161/7/805
Interpretation: There appears to be a linear association between the frequency of slapping
and spanking during childhood and a lifetime prevalence of anxiety disorder, alcohol abuse or dependence and externalizing problems.
Absolutely. Slapping is unacceptable. A spanking administered properly is a completely different thing. Even your reference above says that BOTH have to happen in order for the linear association given to apply. Hence the word AND (which I used in bold), meaning BOTH things have to happen in order for the following result.
Slapping is abuse. You ARE intelligent enough to know the difference, as are most people debating this, even if you don't want to admit it.
Your feeble attempt to link dictionary.com words together to give negative connotations is also pathetic.
Everyone knows that it is the CONTEXT of how those words are used and their intent that gives them specific meaning, often completely contrary to another meaning or context that exists elsewhere in the dictionary.
Welcome to the English language, where the definition of "IS" is open to interpretation. "I did NOT have sex with that woman".
Can you provide a reference that states that spanking is a form of teaching?
I'm sure I could if I really wanted to spend my day off digging around in articles and books. I have better things to do with my time and, since I know I'm not going to change your mind, why bother?
So it is ok to embarrass your child in front of you, the childs Mom and siblings but you provide them the courtesy of not embarrassing them in front of strangers...
The child is not embarrassed by punishment with no one else present. If you used this method, you would automatically understand that.
Basically, it's the same as if you were flying with a guy who royally screwed something up procedurally he should have known, you correct his error, and go on about your way versus waiting until you got back to the crew room and, in front of his peers, went on to explain how obvious a mistake it would have been and let everyone else see you do it.
One is embarrassing. One is not. But you already knew that.
Again, instead of debating the issue, you're choosing to debate the intent of things I write and twist them around. Didn't work for Al Gore, won't work for you either.
Have you considered a 15month old doesn't have the emotional and physical skills to comprehend what he's doing. That he may have a feeling of love to his mother and he is simply responding by touching. He doesn't have the motor skills to touch softly. He is doing his best and you "pop" him for it.
Incorrect and assumptive.
You, from the comfort of your chair thousands of miles away, are telling ME what MY child is doing. You need to put your ego in check and stop thinking you know all there is to raising MY child.
I'm not talking about a wild stray hand while he's playing or being held. I'm talking about him picking up something he finds that he shouldn't have laying around the house; you try to give him another toy while taking the offensive item away, he gets mad, yells, throws all of it down then tries to hit you in the face while he yells.
That's a tantrum. That's physical aggression. That will NOT be tolerated.
You hold his hands and say "No hit." He gets angrier because NOW you're restricting his movement. He tries to hit even harder and screams even louder. You hold his hands and say "NO! That hurts, don't hit." He doesn't know what you just said except that he senses YOU are still keeping him from doing what he wants to do and is still violent and tries to hit.
You try setting him down, saying No, and walking away, but he follows you around still mad and screaming. You try to pick him up and he goes to hit you again, that's it. He's had his minute or two to calm down, you've tried to redirect his anger and aggression, he still hits.
Spanking time. VERY brief, not in anger. Set him down afterwards so he knows he's being punished. Give him a minute or two to yell it out, then pick him up and love on him and play with him doing something fun and constructive for a while.
The wife won't do that and she has tried all sorts of the kindler, gentler crap that you guys are talking about for the last couple of weeks he has been doing it. She's read those wonderful books and articles you like to quote from. They don't help. He still does it.
One spanking, lots of love, and he hasn't hit either of us in almost a month.
Nothing else worked. That did. Proof positive.
Again Rez, I don't think you really have kids. You might have a step kid that you don't discipline and you can only discipline in your way, but I doubt that you've gone through the stress of a toddler starting to enter his "Terrible Two's".
Anything else you have to offer is pure speculative rubbish, especially when you say that kids don't need control.
Watch Super Nanny and tell me that.
Idiocy.
