Air Cargo Carriers Sim training...

[mpflies2]

Ok, so my buddy started his ACC training April 13th. I was talking to him and he said they do 3 weeks of training in MKE which is systems, company info, CRM, and some sort of basic flight trainer (like microsoft flight sim). He then said the last week is done in the Level D Shorts 360 sim at Flight Safety in NY. He was telling me that he understands it to have 4 hours sim instruction with an instructor and then 4 hours with his sim partner. 8 hours. Then he's done training. This kinda blows my mind. Someone like him or myself can go into this with no turbine or advanced systems training and come out after 8 hours of sim and be ready to fly a multi turbine aircraft. I think thats incredible and yes I realize its a ton of studying on systems and flows, but just seems like such a small number. Just thought I'd post my thoughts on this.

Marc

 

[Wankel7]

Dude, the Shorts is stone simple. Honestly, the only things hyd. are the gear, flaps, and the brakes. No pressurization, no passenger stuff. And not to mention it is slow and can get slower real fast. I think the biggest WTF for a newb would be the 135 rules.


Its such a great plane I love 'em!

Wankel

 

[JetSpeed219]

mpflies, I just recently finished training here at ACC and I thought the same thing. It is a lot of info in a short amount of time but like Wankel said the Shorts is a pretty simple machine. I felt very prepared after the training, they have an excellent training department and do things very efficiently and thoroughly. And it does end up being a little longer than 4 weeks. It was just short of 5 weeks for us if I remember right.

 

[mpflies2]

Sweet thanks guys....I'm hoping to get my hours up by instructing from 6 months to a year and hopefully join the ACC team. Sounds like a great gig.

Marc

 

[Lostdog65]

My initial Shorts class was 6 days ground, day off, 6 days of SIM (4 hours, 2-left seat, 20-right seat), two days off, then a Type ride. (4 hours...2 left, 2 right). AND I had turbine experience (BE99) so I even understood Secondary Low Pitch Stops!

I thoroughly enjoyed flying the Shorts (we had a C-23A/330 at the USFS). Ground should only take a week...even with no previous turbine experience. And the 360 SIM, while basic (think black and white visuals because it's all "night" time in the SIM), is pretty good. They can try and kill you three ways to Sunday.

Wanna have fun? After a pretty grueling double bus-bar failure with a go-around, look back and say, "That the best you got???"

Also, the computer keyboard sounds like a pen clicking. The instructor will catch on if he sees you getting ready for an emergency when he clicks the keys...soooo....some of the instructors carry "clickable" pens. Then they click them just to watch you tense up!!

Oh yeah...the SIM will probably be down at least one of your days there.

When you're done...ask them for the carrier flight...it's a kick!! And if your instructor knows how...have them simulate a helicopter...winds down the runway at LaGuardia at about 90-100 kts....the Shorts acts like a helicopter. Too much fun.

You'll love V1 cuts...right at V1!! First time, pay attention to the terminal building at either JFK or LGA...you'll go through it!!

Good food at the Marine Terminal in the restaurant. Or go to the main terminal...the Chinese place there has good food, fairly cheap.

You can catch the M60 bus at FSI and go to Ditmars/Astoria Station and hop the subway to Times Square. Day use passes were $5 a year or so ago. If the weather's nice...you can catch the ferry just behind the Marine Terminal and it will drop you off down by the south end of Manhattan Island near the financial district.

Eric

 

[JetSpeed219]

Day use passes were $5 a year or so ago.

Eric

They were 7 bucks in February of this year so it's gone up a little bit.

 

[mpflies2]

My initial Shorts class was 6 days ground, day off, 6 days of SIM (4 hours, 2-left seat, 20-right seat), two days off, then a Type ride. (4 hours...2 left, 2 right). AND I had turbine experience (BE99) so I even understood Secondary Low Pitch Stops!

I thoroughly enjoyed flying the Shorts (we had a C-23A/330 at the USFS). Ground should only take a week...even with no previous turbine experience. And the 360 SIM, while basic (think black and white visuals because it's all "night" time in the SIM), is pretty good. They can try and kill you three ways to Sunday.

Wanna have fun? After a pretty grueling double bus-bar failure with a go-around, look back and say, "That the best you got???"

Also, the computer keyboard sounds like a pen clicking. The instructor will catch on if he sees you getting ready for an emergency when he clicks the keys...soooo....some of the instructors carry "clickable" pens. Then they click them just to watch you tense up!!

Oh yeah...the SIM will probably be down at least one of your days there.

When you're done...ask them for the carrier flight...it's a kick!! And if your instructor knows how...have them simulate a helicopter...winds down the runway at LaGuardia at about 90-100 kts....the Shorts acts like a helicopter. Too much fun.

You'll love V1 cuts...right at V1!! First time, pay attention to the terminal building at either JFK or LGA...you'll go through it!!

Good food at the Marine Terminal in the restaurant. Or go to the main terminal...the Chinese place there has good food, fairly cheap.

You can catch the M60 bus at FSI and go to Ditmars/Astoria Station and hop the subway to Times Square. Day use passes were $5 a year or so ago. If the weather's nice...you can catch the ferry just behind the Marine Terminal and it will drop you off down by the south end of Manhattan Island near the financial district.

Eric

thanks for the info. Hope I get the opportunity after getting those 2 or 3 hundred hours. We shall see. Any other experiences? Lemme know.

THanks

Marc

 

[flymeach]

Sim

I was in class with Jetspeed and have to agree with him. It is a lot of information but you will get it all, that is the whole goal of the sim and instructor. No matter how well you know it though, the first time you are in the right seat for real, you are going to be pretty much worthless to the captian. At least that is how I felt. But you will also be suprised as to how real the sim was in relation to the real aircraft. On the first take off, I could have sworn I was flying in the sim. The training is all on a building block method and it will all come together as you go.

I love womens curling! (thats for you Jetspeed!)

 

[texarkana]

Flying the sim is easy. Know the callouts & profiles. And don't listen to anyone who lives in WV

 

[mpflies2]

haha thanks....hopefully my buddy who just finished training will give me some insight and study material so I will be ready when I go in there.