Air 360, or Cargo 360..?

[CSY Mon]

Any info on this new freight carrier?

Did a Google search, but no cigar.

Rumor says they have Six B-747Fs lined up and that they are hireing crews, etc.

Any good inside info?

 

[bafanguy]

CYS,

I don't know a whole lot except it's started by a group of ex-DL guys with good reps. In cahoots with KAL somehow. Online applications only. Can't find the website at the moment but will keep looking.

Spooky 1 ? Info for CYS ?

Ok, found it...www.compassair.aero

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Says "page cannot be displayed". Is it compassaero.com or something like that?

 

[bafanguy]

ATR,

Sorry, I was posting info from my notes which are obviously out of date. Here's one that works:

www.cargo360.aero I test hopped it myself.

 

[Spooky 1]

Had dinner with a couple of the "founders" last week. Still hoping to get the first airplane on or about Dec. 24th. Two nose loaders and one -300 conversion for a total of three initially. While they are looking for pilots in general, they are really in need of some pilots with Classic experience and perhaps line check airman experience as well. I think they have accepted the idea that they may have to hire some guys who only have a year or two at the most left before they turn 60, just to get the oeration up and rolling.

It seesm that Classic pilots who are looking for work and not already employed at say Evergreen, Kalita, etc are getting a little scarce. Obviously the pay and bennies are probably less at Cargo 360 than either of these two.
I beleiev initial ops are going to be out of ANC.

 

[Draginass]

The Powerpoint info slides were extremely vague except for the part about a two year training bond of $16,000. !?!?!?! That does not lend confidence in the "founders" of the operation. If they want to attract quality people with Classic experience they need to be honest and upfront in their advertisement and not sound like a job-of-last-resort tramp freighter outfit.

Anybody know what the specifics of compensation and schedule are???

 

[bombinha]

Draginass is right their ad is far from professional and contract agreement looks like a bad place to be only the bad ones need contract agreement to hold u there.

 

[Spooky 1]

I am not an agent for this outfit and Kalita might be the best outfit in the world but I seem to recall in the past any number of critical comments regarding Kalita. So....the point is if you want a job, and everthing else is okay, or at least okay enough considering your circumstances, go for it and don't listen to the nay sayers. Some guy once said the many men have a good aim in life, but damn few know when to pull the trigger.

 

[FearlessFreep]

I have not put on any online applications of late so I do not know if this is SOP:

The thing that disturbs me is that just to get an account to submit your application they want your Social Security Number. Now if I remember correctly (like I said it has been a while since I did these online applications) usually the request for SSN was buried well within the applications pages - not on the very first page of setting up an account.

Requests for that kind of information so immediately puts my guard up and gives me great pause.

I hope that this is not the case with other airlines/startups/outfits that require online applications.

No one needs this information so early in the selection process.

 

[CSY Mon]

Thanks for the replies gents.

I did cruise the web-page linked above and found out more.

It seems like rumor and reality is a bit different.

Rumor says home-basing, reality on the page talks of PNW..Etc.

 

[Draginass]

It sounds like one of those outfits that you join (with a $16,000 training bond), then find out what the compensation and work rules really are.

 

[Otterjock]

Cargo 360

One of the employment boards had info that Cargo 360 (Seattle based) 747 start up was seeking applications. Anybody know anything more on this outfit ie reputation, etc.

Otterjock

 

[Spooky 1]

One of the employment boards had info that Cargo 360 (Seattle based) 747 start up was seeking applications. Anybody know anything more on this outfit ie reputation, etc.

Otterjock

Lets see.....your post is #11, and the previous 10 posts deal with the exact subject matter that you requested information on..........hmmmm?
if all else fails, try the search engine feature.

 

[Thedude]

Any info on this new freight carrier?

Did a Google search, but no cigar.

Rumor says they have Six B-747Fs lined up and that they are hireing crews, etc.

Any good inside info?

Ready to jump ship already? Or a you just tired of sitting in Incheon and drinking beer?

 

[FreightGod]

Ready to jump ship already? Or a you just tired of sitting in Incheon and drinking beer?

Neither, but thanks for checking.

 

[Big Air]

Ssn

Regarding giving them your SSN, try using 123-45-6789 or 234-56-7890 or 333-33-3333, or anything else.

 

[Whale Rider]

If you go to an interview at Cargo 360 don't forget to bring $250 to pay for the drug test.

 

[FreightGod]

If you go to an interview at Cargo 360 don't forget to bring $250 to pay for the drug test.

Huh?

That is a first ever for this cowboy.
Got 20 flying jobs under the belt, but never been asked to pay for a drug tests..(Would offer a hand-shake and a signature testifying to no drug use, but no cash)

Screw this kind of shoe-string operation looking for candidates to pay for drug testing and to post a training bond.
With that kind of attitude and with no proffesional leaders @ the top, they will fail in year or two.
They should...

 

[Whale Rider]

Huh?

That is a first ever for this cowboy.
Got 20 flying jobs under the belt, but never been asked to pay for a drug tests..(Would offer a hand-shake and a signature testifying to no drug use, but no cash)

Screw this kind of shoe-string operation looking for candidates to pay for drug testing and to post a training bond.
With that kind of attitude and with no proffesional leaders @ the top, they will fail in year or two.
They should...

Its true, just had one of our guys go over there to interview. Next thing he knows their talking training contracts and paying for the drug test. I hear the number of applicants has gone way down. I wonder why?

 

[Draginass]

I think it's a retired Delta pilot that's running the show there. Must have been a management pilot for Delta and took his lessons from Grinsteen.

If a shyster outfit pulls this kind of crap in the interview process, you can imagine what kind of pay problems, scheduling abuse, etc, etc that you'll run into when you're indentured by the training contract. If the guy that runs it is really a former ALPA pilot, I think he's a disgrace to the profession.

Maybe they're making interviewees pay for the drug test because druggies are the only candidates they can attract, and they've been having so many failures.

 

[Spooky 1]

Delta Connection

Your spot on about the former Delta guys running the show at C360. Dave Greenberg, former ALPA guru, former VP Flight Ops, former COO/VP Flt Ops, at Korean, lawyer, etc. is the President and CEO. A number of other Delta folks are in the initial group as well. Only time will tell. I would imagine that they will have a hard time attracting any pilots like the ones they are used to working with. To bad!

 

[Draginass]

I think we need another catagory below "Bottom Feeder" for Cargo360.

How about "Scum Feeder?"

 

[Spooky 1]

Actually I am now hearing that they are not having any real problems with finding non-typed Capt.'s. Mostly former DAL guys who feel some comfort level working with people they already know. The biggest problem seemes to be finding S/O's. Must be a bunch of former over 60 types that are seeing the Classic go away at their airlines that might jump over just to see how it goes. Keep in mind they are only crewing three airplanes at the start.

 

[b757driver]

Sounds extremely shaky, DAL management types or not
Their website even now is pretty poor, the phone is answered by a computer-generated voice and no one gets my SSN over the internet especially when I don't even know whether they would interview me! Hardly inspiring nor a user-friendly site.
It seems to get better: first training bond (what if you're already typed with experience??) then pay for your own drug test. Whatever next, pay for your recurrent and no relocation cost. Gee, it really sounds great, better hurry before all the slots are filled.
Good luck to Cargo360 and those that apply.......you will probably need it sooner, rather than later!

 

[Whale Rider]

I think we need another catagory below "Bottom Feeder" for Cargo360.

How about "Scum Feeder?"

How about Cargo180?

 

[waazzuuuup!!]

A friend of mine interviewed there. They charge you for the drug test. Amazing aint it!

They know people will pay for it so they do.

I wonder whats next? Maybe then they will start charging crews for
putting gas in the plane and making you pay for required maintenance checks!

 

[CSY Mon]

They know people will pay for it so they do.

Some of us, with plenty of time in type, won't pay for it..

That being said, I know a guy that got a job there: Perfect specimen, ex-Delta, current and qualified on the 747 classic as capt and check-airman, flying the same routes: USA to Korea and back.

Bet ya he did not have to pay to pee in a cup..

 

[b757driver]

How about Cargo180?

That's very funny........and probably appropriate, too!:laugh:

 

[Archie Bunker]

If you go to an interview at Cargo 360 don't forget to bring $250 to pay for the drug test.

Actually, the price has gone up to $325 for the drug screen and background check...but this is only after you've been offered employment. Sounds pretty low rent to me.

Has anybody actually interviewed with these folks lately? I received an invite to interview with them, but am not sure if it would be a waste of my time or not. I'm a bit leery of the whole operation, and haven't really heard any good gouge on the company as of yet.

 

[belchfire]

I heard rumor about them and sent a resume by fax or email or something before they set up the webpage.

I had heard some of the comments like Whalerider made about training contracts and pfwt...I don't know what is going on but what I am hearing
is way below industry standard for recruiting.

They never called me anyhow, so I didn't have to worry about it.