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NMB Finds Lack of Evidence in Flexjet Union Vote Spat

by Kerry Lynch
- August 24, 2016, 10:29 AM

The National Mediation Board has determined that Flight Options and Flexjet failed to provide sufficient evidence of election interference in a complaint they filed against the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT), the union that represents the companies' pilots. The ruling, issued yesterday, includes a partial dissent stating that the case ?represents a close call as to whether or not to conduct further investigation.?

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...b-finds-lack-evidence-flexjet-union-vote-spat


Well, that didn't work, now what? Oh yeah, keep running out the clock until arbitration. The pay cut from the arbitrated contract will make the Flex folks vote for decert.
 
I've had a busy morning. I read a few AIN articles, caught up on Yammer and the VUH, read the NMB Board decision in its entirety etc... all thanks to the time I have on my hands because of broken equipment. I have to laugh about Yammer wherein three of our resident Windbags (pun partially intended) had to spout off about dwindling union support! Where do they get this stuff? If anything, there is more union support then ever thanks to Ricci and his schemes.

I know it can't be from RH since he is privately admitting to several he knows the writing is on the wall and his days are numbered. He and JD are the only two Flexjet managers left right? Correct me if I'm wrong but even our schoolhouse was just taken over by the Cleveland machine. Well just 2 unless you count the corporate plant of Jason Weiss, an old Ricci protege who came onto Flexjet during the two years Kenn has already admitted he was negotiating the buyout. Hmmmm... ethical.

As for former POC taking part in the Red Label programs they couldn't be more wrong since all those spots are just going to the FoKs. Maybe they're putting their names in the hat to better observe the process or raise the overall base pay but good luck with most of them actually getting the spot. I do agree it is a hot button issue since I too am disgusted by union participation in RL but I digress... the point is Ricci has created a ****************ing free for all grab bag and anyone not going for it is the rarity, not the other way around. Seriously, if people putting their name in the hat for Red Label is the best ammo the yammer jammers have, I guess the union is doing pretty freaking awesome in the transparency category.

But it's a lost cause for anything outside of the Legacy anyway. RH himself is busy hiring low seniority numbers into the 300s since those are his marching orders. Just recently a high seniority anti union CL30 Captain was passed over for a low seniority 45 guy just as one example. So now you have to ask yourself with some cancelled orders on the horizon why are they allowing pro union apps into only the Legacy? Could it be another fleet contraction is in the secret plan to make sure to punish these guys come "no system flush" time? Right up to Ricci's "ethical" standards so it's worth considering.

But let's not talk about who's getting into RL, let's talk about who's getting out. Yes, I'm talking about the removal of a high seniority FJ IRL captain from his position in the Gulfstream and demoted back to the CL30 for having an issue with a FoK viewing gay porn on live legs (as if that matters) in the cockpit. He was given the choice of demotion or termination. The FoK recieved no threat or discipline. Why this captain chose demotion over the gift of a practically guaranteed sexual harrassment judgement in the big money neighborhood is beyond me but indicative of the mentality of so many at Flexjet. It's not that they don't support the union or even that they support the company. It's that they're apathetic cowards.
 
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.... RH himself is busy hiring low seniority numbers into the 300s since those are his marching orders. Just recently a high seniority anti union CL30 Captain was passed over for a low seniority 45 guy just as one example. So now you have to ask yourself with some cancelled orders on the horizon why are they allowing pro union apps into only the Legacy?....

The NMB might not require a system flush, but they could require bypass pay to rectify this tactic. Then the company will claim they can't afford bypass pay and choose to demote those pilots back to what their seniority can hold, blaming it all on the union because he would have kept them there at the higher position/pay but since we have a union on property, he cant's do it. Most will look at this from a very myopic self-serving point of view and instantly lots of pilots will lose pay, get pissed and become anti-union. This is all part of KR's plan for a decert drive.

Several of the unti-union folks at Options now were once supporters and became bitter because of this same tactic. History repeats itself.
 
The NMB might not require a system flush, but they could require bypass pay to rectify this tactic. Then the company will claim they can't afford bypass pay and choose to demote those pilots back to what their seniority can hold, blaming it all on the union because he would have kept them there at the higher position/pay but since we have a union on property, he cant's do it. Most will look at this from a very myopic self-serving point of view and instantly lots of pilots will lose pay, get pissed and become anti-union. This is all part of KR's plan for a decert drive.

Several of the unti-union folks at Options now were once supporters and became bitter because of this same tactic. History repeats itself.

Exactly my point.

The good thing is Ricci is not very innovative and we should see this coming from a mile away.

The bad thing is Ricci is not very innovative, so we know more bull******************** is coming down the pike and its going to be a very rough ride.
 
The NMB might not require a system flush, but they could require bypass pay to rectify this tactic. Then the company will claim they can't afford bypass pay and choose to demote those pilots back to what their seniority can hold, blaming it all on the union because he would have kept them there at the higher position/pay but since we have a union on property, he cant's do it. Most will look at this from a very myopic self-serving point of view and instantly lots of pilots will lose pay, get pissed and become anti-union. This is all part of KR's plan for a decert drive.

Several of the unti-union folks at Options now were once supporters and became bitter because of this same tactic. History repeats itself.

Flops pilots told us, "don't worry the SLI will be fair". Flex pilots got screwed. Flops pilots told us, "no system flush". Now, they'll try to use system flush to steal our seats. Seats that Flex pilots are getting to save what they will eventually lose due to the SLI f*ck up...long time flops fos will be taking Flex captains seats! This will happen.

We all know the arbitrator will probably rule against by-pass pay. That doesn't automatically entitle flops pilots to our seats. Flops pilots should take the seats at flex that are left, or the ones that become available and no more.

I'm tired of being screwed by Flops pilots who use this Union to steal what is ours. Listen Flexjet pilots, flops pilots do not have your best interest in mind.. Fight for your jobs!
 
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Flops pilots told us, "don't worry the SLI will be fair". Flex pilots got screwed. Flops pilots told us, "no system flush". Now, they'll try to use system flush to steal our seats. Seats that Flex pilots are getting to save what they will eventually lose due to the SLI f*ck up...long time flops fos will be taking Flex captains seats! This will happen.

We all know the arbitrator will probably rule against by-pass pay. That doesn't automatically entitle flops pilots to our seats. Flops pilots should take the seats at flex that are left, or the ones that become available and no more.

I'm tired of being screwed by Flops pilots who use this Union to steal what is ours. Listen Flexjet pilots, flops pilots do not have your best interest in mind.. Fight for your jobs!

You mean the FLOPS Xtransfers that Ricci put at the bottom of YOUR seniority. You mean the FLOPS Xtransfers that Ricci is putting infront of you and your FLEX senior Co pilots, (who by the way are at the bottom of your seniority list), into the largest planes the company has. (Sorry....... did a G450 seat not have your name painted on the side, boo frikety who.).....
You mean the FLOPS Xtransfers that have been at FLEX for only 1 year in the Lear and now are in the Challenger 350...so 2 types in 1 year

Oh, and the pilots at FLOPS (still there), have not taken crap from you, maybe next time you need to look at the right seater and complain to him, after all he is a Transfer from FLOPS and more than likely is a self-serving type, i'm sure that pilot really gives a rats azz about your problems. (Start with Phenom Phil)
 
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You mean the FLOPS Xtransfers that Ricci put at the bottom of YOUR seniority. You mean the FLOPS Xtransfers that Ricci is putting infront of you and your FLEX senior Co pilots, (who by the way are at the bottom of your seniority list), into the largest planes the company has. (Sorry....... did a G450 seat not have your name painted on the side, boo frikety who.).....
You mean the FLOPS Xtransfers that have been at FLEX for only 1 year in the Lear and now are in the Challenger 350...so 2 types in 1 year

Oh, and the pilots at FLOPS (still there), have not taken crap from you, maybe next time you need to look at the right seater and complain to him, after all he is a Transfer from FLOPS and more than likely is a self-serving type, i'm sure that pilot really gives a rats azz about your problems. (Start with Phenom Phil)

The pilots you mentioned add up to about ~40 pilots who are in the G450 and global. Of which, ~7 or 8 are from the original Flexjet who are low on the seniority list. That's roughly 40 pilots out of 600 post furlough! If there's system flush, yes those 30 pilots may lose their seats, but the true victims will be the 140+ pilots who were stapled to the bottom of the new SL? And of that 140, 80% are captains, who earned their seats by seniority! They will be flushed out of their seats. Flushed because of 40 pilots? ******************** no! The sad thing is, flops leadership at the IBT knows this. They're using the union to screw the flex pilots anyway they can and guarantee the option pilots along with the super senior at flex, the choice seats at flex.

I for one will not bite. You have zero support from me. You screwed me once, you won't me again.
 
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The pilots you mentioned add up to about ~40 pilots who are in the G450 and global. Of which, ~7 or 8 are from the original Flexjet who are low on the seniority list. That's roughly 40 pilots out of 600 post furlough! If there's system flush, yes those 30 pilots may lose their seats, but the true victims will be the 140+ pilots who were stapled to the bottom of the new SL? And of that 140, 80% are captains, who earned their seats by seniority! They will be flushed out of their seats. Flushed because of 40 pilots? ******************** no! The sad thing is, flops leadership at the IBT knows this. They're using the union to screw the flex pilots anyway they can and guarantee the option pilots along with the super senior at flex, the choice seats at flex.

I for one will not bite. You have zero support from me. You screwed me once, you won't me again.

You're preaching to the choir singing the pied piper's song. They have all to gain and nothing to lose.

As the furlough line creeps higher and previous captains start to feel the heat the rhetoric will increase as will the cry for a system flush.

It's a foregone conclusion. Keep the resume up to date and hope for a way out.
 
El Raton and Luckydog I think you're not understanding or reading between the lines. NO SYSTEM FLUSH is a guarantee if it's in the CBA. Whether the Options guys benefit or not from it is of no consequence to the fears you expressed

You need to read between the lines and look at history regarding how Ricci will use it to paint the union in a bad light. In past he used fleet contraction. And if you are paying attention it's what he is setting up for and is the best reason to choose your current seat very carefully.

Kenn Ricci is master at playing two sides against the middle. Here you are concerned about a non issue and unconcerned a FoK transfer can watch porn in flight without consequence but your Flexjet buddy who's been a good asset for 15 years was threatened with thr street or a demotion.

Typical ********************ing Flexjet. Kenn knew exactly what he was buying. Surely he is laughing his ass off right now reading all this.
 
Why haven't a sexual harassment charge been brought up if this pilot was really watching porn in a cockpit that other crew members could see????? Where's the lawyers for this????as far as Flex pilots worrying about junior Flops guys they only care about their individual selves they don't care a rats azzz about their fellow pilots. Who's going to ND to Pickett????? Let's get a body count on this. COME ON 1108!!! Bring the fight of you wanna win this fight!!!!!!
 

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