Agi / Bgi?

[brokeflyer]

dont bother with either of them....just get a CFII then you can do anything

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

dont bother with either of them....just get a CFII then you can do anything

With a CFI-I you can only teach instruments. A CFI-I can not even do a BFR or sign off a student for a X-C.

 

[brokeflyer]

you must be drinking Drano.....the CFII is an "additional instructor rating"......the CFI is a certificate.....there is a difference. You need the CFI to get the CFII. So, a CFII can give BFR's all day long and then the next day sign a student off for a instrument rating......then after that teach a commercial lesson.....

Certificates are student,private, comm, and ATP....

ratings are(for example) Instrument, multi-engine, etc....

 

[paulsalem]

You can get your CFI-Insturment as you intial CFI. You would only be able to teach Instrument flight and ground (pt 141 and 61), and conduct IPCs.

UndantedFlyer is correct in what he is saying.

 

[brokeflyer]

well whatever...im not gonna get into a debate over it......but there is a reason why it's called an "additional instructor rating"....

im only a 15,000 hour CFII-M....so what do I know....

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

you must be drinking Drano.....the CFII is an "additional instructor rating"......the CFI is a certificate.....there is a difference. You need the CFI to get the CFII. So, a CFII can give BFR's all day long and then the next day sign a student off for a instrument rating......then after that teach a commercial lesson.....

Certificates are student,private, comm, and ATP....

ratings are(for example) Instrument, multi-engine, etc....

Sorry but you way off on this one. And I don't like your insulting tone, especially when you are so wrong.

The fact is that there is no such thing as just a CFI. And it is possible to be a CFI-I(A) only. There are 7 CFI ratings: ASE, AME, IA, IH, RH, RG, and Glider. And now there are some new ratings for the Sport CFI certificate. Any one of the first seven is a stand alone as a CFI whichever of the 7 rating.

So to restate the fact: A CFI-I(A) or CFI-I(H) can not do BFRs or sign off a student for a XC. A CFI-I is only an instrument instructor. A CFI is a sort of specialist in instrument instructing.

Got it.

 

[paulsalem]

Brokeflyer,

It is an "additional rating" only if you allready have your CFI ASEL, or AMEL.

Just the same as you can get your Private Multi as an inital Private certificate.
If you alreay had a private ASE, then the AME would be an addiional rating.

I've heard of flight schools that have students get their CFI-IA as their INITIAL CFI Cert.


Undaunted beat me to it.

 

[brokeflyer]

well i wasnt insulting you...just trying to be funny....

there is such thing as "just a CFI"....I had it for 6 months before i went and took the CFI-I written and the flight check......CFI can do ground for the private, commercial.....and sign-offs for those writtens.....they also do flight instruction for private and commercial.

A CFI-I can do all of the above PLUS instrument ground(and the sign off for the written) and also do flight instruction for the instrument rating.

A CFI-I-M can do all of the above PLUS flight instruction for multi-engine(providing the CFI-I-M, or the CFI-M has at least 15 hours in type)

 

[paulsalem]

Before you pull the "I have more hours than you do card" out, I'd be sure you know what you're talking about first. You're CFI is current right?

When people say they have their CFI most of the time they mean their CFI-AME

Simillarly when people say I'm a "double I". I ASSUME they have their CFI-ASE, IA. But that may not be the case.

When you got your "just a cfi" you got:

Certified Fligth Instructor CERTIFICATE with
Airplane Single Engine RATING

At our flight school you get your CFI-AME before you get your CFI-ASE, and IA.

B/C we dont' have a complex single.

Call up the Chief CFI at the NJA flight school and ask him.

 

[brokeflyer]

well you didnt mention that you didnt have a complex single. so your school don't do any commercial training then?

So you they get the IA after the multi instructor?......so that means they can give a BFR.....when they get the IA then they can go do a BFR on someone then later that same day go sign someone off for a instrument check.....

 

[paulsalem]

well you didnt mention that you didnt have a complex single. so your school don't do any commercial training then?

You only need to do your INITAL commercial training in a complex a/c. So we do Commercial AMEL first, then do a commercial ASEL addon in a C-172

 

[brokeflyer]

thats all kinda off topic now....I was responding to the point that there is "just a CFI"....the point being you need that(CFI-A or CFI-M) to get the IA added on......that's what i mean

 

[paulsalem]

So you they get the IA after the multi instructor?......so that means they can give a BFR.....when they get the IA then they can go do a BFR on someone then later that same day go sign someone off for a instrument check.....

Correct, if that is the course you decided to follow. But if a comercial pilot (No CFI of any sort) and said i'd like to get my CFI-IA, I'd say ok, and he'd do the checkride in a skyhawk.

We're not talking about the normal path of the flight school I work at currently though.

 

[paulsalem]

thats all kinda off topic now....I was responding to the point that there is "just a CFI"....the point being you need that(CFI-A or CFI-M) to get the IA added on......that's what i mean

No you don't.

 

[brokeflyer]

soooo.....going back to the main point of the thread.....to get the AGI and IGI...that's 2 extra writtens that don't need to be taken......

If you just get the CFI and the CFI-I.....you'll have all the same privledges without the extra written test.....some ppl do take them cause they may not be able to hold a medical or something.....then they would be usefull