Agi / Bgi?

[UndauntedFlyer]

you must be drinking Drano.....the CFII is an "additional instructor rating"......the CFI is a certificate.....there is a difference. You need the CFI to get the CFII. So, a CFII can give BFR's all day long and then the next day sign a student off for a instrument rating......then after that teach a commercial lesson.....

Certificates are student,private, comm, and ATP....

ratings are(for example) Instrument, multi-engine, etc....

Sorry but you way off on this one. And I don't like your insulting tone, especially when you are so wrong.

The fact is that there is no such thing as just a CFI. And it is possible to be a CFI-I(A) only. There are 7 CFI ratings: ASE, AME, IA, IH, RH, RG, and Glider. And now there are some new ratings for the Sport CFI certificate. Any one of the first seven is a stand alone as a CFI whichever of the 7 rating.

So to restate the fact: A CFI-I(A) or CFI-I(H) can not do BFRs or sign off a student for a XC. A CFI-I is only an instrument instructor. A CFI is a sort of specialist in instrument instructing.

Got it.

 

[paulsalem]

Brokeflyer,

It is an "additional rating" only if you allready have your CFI ASEL, or AMEL.

Just the same as you can get your Private Multi as an inital Private certificate.
If you alreay had a private ASE, then the AME would be an addiional rating.

I've heard of flight schools that have students get their CFI-IA as their INITIAL CFI Cert.


Undaunted beat me to it.

 

[brokeflyer]

well i wasnt insulting you...just trying to be funny....

there is such thing as "just a CFI"....I had it for 6 months before i went and took the CFI-I written and the flight check......CFI can do ground for the private, commercial.....and sign-offs for those writtens.....they also do flight instruction for private and commercial.

A CFI-I can do all of the above PLUS instrument ground(and the sign off for the written) and also do flight instruction for the instrument rating.

A CFI-I-M can do all of the above PLUS flight instruction for multi-engine(providing the CFI-I-M, or the CFI-M has at least 15 hours in type)

 

[paulsalem]

Before you pull the "I have more hours than you do card" out, I'd be sure you know what you're talking about first. You're CFI is current right?

When people say they have their CFI most of the time they mean their CFI-AME

Simillarly when people say I'm a "double I". I ASSUME they have their CFI-ASE, IA. But that may not be the case.

When you got your "just a cfi" you got:

Certified Fligth Instructor CERTIFICATE with
Airplane Single Engine RATING

At our flight school you get your CFI-AME before you get your CFI-ASE, and IA.

B/C we dont' have a complex single.

Call up the Chief CFI at the NJA flight school and ask him.

 

[brokeflyer]

well you didnt mention that you didnt have a complex single. so your school don't do any commercial training then?

So you they get the IA after the multi instructor?......so that means they can give a BFR.....when they get the IA then they can go do a BFR on someone then later that same day go sign someone off for a instrument check.....

 

[paulsalem]

well you didnt mention that you didnt have a complex single. so your school don't do any commercial training then?

You only need to do your INITAL commercial training in a complex a/c. So we do Commercial AMEL first, then do a commercial ASEL addon in a C-172

 

[brokeflyer]

thats all kinda off topic now....I was responding to the point that there is "just a CFI"....the point being you need that(CFI-A or CFI-M) to get the IA added on......that's what i mean

 

[paulsalem]

So you they get the IA after the multi instructor?......so that means they can give a BFR.....when they get the IA then they can go do a BFR on someone then later that same day go sign someone off for a instrument check.....

Correct, if that is the course you decided to follow. But if a comercial pilot (No CFI of any sort) and said i'd like to get my CFI-IA, I'd say ok, and he'd do the checkride in a skyhawk.

We're not talking about the normal path of the flight school I work at currently though.

 

[paulsalem]

thats all kinda off topic now....I was responding to the point that there is "just a CFI"....the point being you need that(CFI-A or CFI-M) to get the IA added on......that's what i mean

No you don't.

 

[brokeflyer]

soooo.....going back to the main point of the thread.....to get the AGI and IGI...that's 2 extra writtens that don't need to be taken......

If you just get the CFI and the CFI-I.....you'll have all the same privledges without the extra written test.....some ppl do take them cause they may not be able to hold a medical or something.....then they would be usefull

 

[paulsalem]

Yes,

Or if you only have a CFI-ASE and need to teach a 141 INSTRUMENT ground school, take your AGI or IGI to teach it.

 

[brokeflyer]

Correct, if that is the course you decided to follow. But if a comercial pilot (No CFI of any sort) and said i'd like to get my CFI-IA, I'd say ok, and he'd do the checkride in a skyhawk.

We're not talking about the normal path of the flight school I work at currently though.

right...he would get his CFI-I after he did his CFI check....

 

[brokeflyer]

Yes,

Or if you only have a CFI-ASE and need to teach a 141 INSTRUMENT ground school, take your AGI or IGI to teach it.

yes, but the 141 part dont matter....you would need the IGI to sign off a written part 61 too.....

 

[paulsalem]

right...he would get his CFI-I after he did his CFI check....

Yea,

This whole argument seems to be due to symantics. The problem being when people hear CFI they thing CFI-ASE which isn't always the case. (Although most of the time it is).

 

[paulsalem]

yes, but the 141 part dont matter....you would need the IGI to sign off a written part 61 too.....

?

No a CFI-IA, or IGI can sign off for a instrument written.

CFI-ASE, AME, AGI (maybe BGI) for a private written.

 

[brokeflyer]

I meant that you would need the IGI(or CFI-I) to sign off an instrument written under part 61 too......

 

[paulsalem]

ah ok, Sorry.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

If you just get the CFI and the CFI-I.....

Again, there is no such thing as just a CFI.

by UndauntedFlyer
The fact is that there is no such thing as just a CFI. And it is possible to be a CFI-I(A) only or a CFI-I(H). There are 7 CFI ratings: ASE, AME, IA, IH, RH, RG, and Glider. And now there are some new ratings for the Sport CFI certificate. Any one of the first seven is a stand alone as a CFI whichever of the 7 rating.

So to restate the fact: A CFI-I(A) or CFI-I(H) can not do BFRs or sign off a student for a XC. A CFI-I(A) or CFI-I(H) is only an instrument instructor. A CFI-I is a sort of specialist in instrument instructing.

Any of the seven CFI ratings can be taken initially and then the others added on later.

When an instructor is a flight instructor for ASE, AME and IA, he is sometimes refered to as a CFI-AIM. This is really not correct but it is a carry over from when there was no such thing as a S/E and a M/E instructor, they were only "Airplane" instructors or "Instrument" instructors or "Rototorcraft" instructors. That was all there was. You could teach in a twin if you had a M/E rating on your commercial and you were a CFI-A. You could teach in a Helicopter or a Gyrocopter if you were a rotorcraft CFI and you had those ratings on your commercial. And you could teach instruments if you had an instrument rating in a catagory you were qualified for on your commercial and you were CFI-I. The same idea as it is now for a seaplane instructor. If you had all the CFI ratings for airplanes you were a CFI-AI. And if you had everything you were a CFI-AIR. (R is rotorcraft)

Then in 1973 changes were made and the new 7 rating became the fact as it is now. If you have all the airplane ratings you are technically as CFI-ASE, AME, IA. or a CFIASMEIA. That way too hard to write or understand so we now just say that person is a CFI-AIM.

 

[brokeflyer]

whatever you say is fine with me. I dont have to instruct anymore so I don't care.

 

[Flymach2]

Hi Mike,

One of the prerequisites for obtaining a Gold Seal Flight Instructor certificate is that you hold either an AGI or IGI certificate. In addition, you probably are already aware of recordkeeping requirements for flight instructors. An AGI or IGI who recommends a candidate for a knowledge test is not required to keep those very same records a flight instructor must keep. For someone who teaches groundschool this could be an awful lot of records if it were required.
So, there is some benefit other than resume' fodder. By the way, there is no requirement for a ground instructor in a 141 course to hold an AGI or IGI. Ref. §141.81

Regards