Age 65

[fullsail]

We need to be vigilant of Age 70. These same guys who pushed Age 65 will reload and push for Age 70 when the time is right. Same agenda, same arguments will be used in my opinion. Granted, it will be a much harder "sell" this time but they must be stopped.

 

[Nindiri]

All this talk about age 65 and safety makes me laugh. Nobody here is worried about safety, they're worried about their upgrade being delayed. At least some people here are honest enough to admit it without all the "safety" bs. :laugh:

 

[LearLove]

All this talk about age 65 and safety makes me laugh. Nobody here is worried about safety, they're worried about their upgrade being delayed. At least some people here are honest enough to admit it without all the "safety" bs. :laugh:

I don't (and never have) think it is a safety issue. If you can pass the medical and checkride(s) then by all means.

My beef is that these guys/babyboomers (121 airline) knew all too well over the past 30 years when their time would be up. They moved up in a big part because the generation (WW2 and Korean war era pilots) before them had to retire at 60. Now they want their cake an to eat it too. BS they knew the rules going in.

 

[pilotyip]

Did we never have an-in-flight incapacitation prior to the age 65 rule? Was anything done then to reduce the age of a pilot? How about a rule we lower the retirement age to the age of the last pilot whom had the in-flight incapacitation. If he was 58 years old then that will be the new retirement. If the next guy is 48 that becomes the new retirement. That would really be the safest way to do it. Wouldn’t it? Age 60 was forced on the pilots back in 1958. ALPA was still fighting to get it repealed up until about 1970. This rule had nothing to do with safety; it was a deal between two W.W.II USAF Generals, AAL's C.R. Smith and Pete Quesada (sp.?) the first head of the FAA. It was to get rid of high paid pilots at the top of AAL the seniority list. It was done in the name of safety, because who can be against safety. It is like motherhood and patriotism

 

[Smarta$$]

We need to be vigilant of Age 70. These same guys who pushed Age 65 will reload and push for Age 70 when the time is right. Same agenda, same arguments will be used in my opinion. Granted, it will be a much harder "sell" this time but they must be stopped.

I just crapped my pants.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

All this talk about age 65 and safety makes me laugh. Nobody here is worried about safety, they're worried about their upgrade being delayed. At least some people here are honest enough to admit it without all the "safety" bs. :laugh:

BS,

I got my upgrade and don't really give a crap about flying to NRT. The geezer can have that seat until he dies.

I've got a problem with it because I flew with enough guys over age 60 and near age 60 in Learjets, Hawker, GII along with 5 airline types up to a B777 to have a large enough of a statiscal sample to say that a significant number of that group experiences a significant decline in cognititve and motor skills as time progresses. Before I put my family on a flight, I will check the age of the crew and if it's planned for crap weather along with a fatiguing duty day, they'll take another flight.

I do have stories of flying with amazing specimens who outside of their weathered faces, are as sharp and as as physically fit as the day they graduated with an advanced engineering degree 35 years previously. I also have many more of others who fade after any long day and stare blankly at a locked up FMS just like they stare at a directory map at the local shopping mall. This included a guy who did run marathons and railed against Queseda's and CR Smith's Age 60 introduction as unfair. He also couldn't think his way out of a paper bag when anything went sideways in the cockpit. He ran 2 marathons in 2 days home from the airport after his final Age 60 flight. He was also dead 2 years later.
Throw in a few more of the old guy collecting the accolades outside the Learjet while the guy who flew the leg is buried in the back tossing bags. The same guy who flew the NDB approach to mins at 2 am in the snow, because the oldster said he was too tired to fly and too old to toss bags.

Yes, it is about safety.

 

[Falconjet]

Hard to argue that its not about safety when you have to have an under 60 year old in one of the seats on an international flight.

It has always been about safety, that and the greed and ego of a bunch of old coots who can't imagine the world not revolving around their captain's seat.

FJ

 

[pilotyip]

safety

Hard to argue that its not about safety when you have to have an under 60 year old in one of the seats on an international flight.

It has always been about safety, that and the greed and ego of a bunch of old coots who can't imagine the world not revolving around their captain's seat.

FJ

hey if it is all about safety lets lower the age to about say 50 or 45, that would have to be more safe. I mean look at the old guys in their early 50's who over flew MSP, look at the under 60 guys who landed on a taxiway at a major airport. Nan as per above this sure looks like it is all about "me" and the "F" get out of my seat.

 

[inline]

Thank you President Bush for signing this law into effect. It was long overdue.

 

[WolfManPack]

No it's about.....

hey if it is all about safety lets lower the age to about say 50 or 45, that would have to be more safe. I mean look at the old guys in their early 50's who over flew MSP, look at the under 60 guys who landed on a taxiway at a major airport. Nan as per above this sure looks like it is all about "me" and the "F" get out of my seat.

...BOTH! So, the me, me, me generation is both the most selfish to ever walk the planet and will not apologize for the windfall they received contributing ot MY furlough AND generally unsafe to fly to 65.

You guys cost me a MINIMUM of 2 million dollars and you gave away my job and retirement (RJ's and A plan). Please, just take your windfall and shut up....that's the least your generation can do don't you think?

Thanks for playing though!

 

[Fubijaakr]

My beef is that these guys/babyboomers (121 airline) knew all too well over the past 30 years when their time would be up....BS they knew the rules going in.

Rules change all the time. Whether in the NFL or the FAA. You play by the rules in force at the time.

 

[WolfManPack]

Me Me Me Me

Rules change all the time. Whether in the NFL or the FAA. You play by the rules in force at the time.

Great, if the rules change to require only one pilot in the cockpit altogether I'm sure you'll be happy to accept it and move on right? What about if they change to eliminate pilots in the cockpit altogether?

What about if someone like Hitler took over the country tomorrow and required all Jewish people to be exterminated, would you play by those rules?

How about if the US government decided on day that couples are only allowed on baby per decade per family and all other children are to be killed upon birth would you play by those rules?

Yes rules change, but that doesn't make it right does it?

Me Me Me!!!!!!!!!

 

[waveflyer]

Now that's just crazy there... Not exactly helping the argument man

 

[Flopgut]

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[spacecadet1]

Don't mind the old farts, although they do fart more than us younger folk. Also, would youz guys please turn down the speaker volume in the cockpit; it's like visiting gramps in the nursing home.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Don't mind the old farts, although they do fart more than us younger folk. Also, would youz guys please turn down the speaker volume in the cockpit; it's like visiting gramps in the nursing home.

"Huh,... What did you say?!..."

 

[gutshotdraw]

I airlined back to the United States yesterday in the back of a Continental 777. The aircraft was Captained by a gentleman making his last flight after 3 decades with the carrier and a distinguished Navy career (including retirement from the Reserves). Judging by the biography in the seat back pocket, I calculated his age at 59 or 60 meaning he willingly gave up 5 more years at the absolute TOP of the Continental heap. I can't say why he chose to retire except for his stated desire on the PA to spend more time with his family. But I can say: Good on ya Captain S. Your service to your country and your company are appreciated and enjoy your well-earned retirement.

 

[Nindiri]

BS,
Yes, it is about safety.

Nah, safety has nothing to do with it. It's all about economics and career progression. Some guys are honest about it, others try to hide behind "safety" arguments and make up all kinds of crazy stories about those "senile" 60 year old guys who just happen to be senior to them.

 

[Flopgut]

I airlined back to the United States yesterday in the back of a Continental 777. The aircraft was Captained by a gentleman making his last flight after 3 decades with the carrier and a distinguished Navy career (including retirement from the Reserves). Judging by the biography in the seat back pocket, I calculated his age at 59 or 60 meaning he willingly gave up 5 more years at the absolute TOP of the Continental heap. I can't say why he chose to retire except for his stated desire on the PA to spend more time with his family. But I can say: Good on ya Captain S. Your service to your country and your company are appreciated and enjoy your well-earned retirement.

Part of the story that is not being told. CAL has a significant number retiring right now and they all seem to be cut from the same cloth. I don't know exactly how to characterize them, but it's a lot less about luck and timing than some of their contemporaries would like us to believe. This is especially true of this sort of CAL pilot.

The tipping point for the membership's "Yes" vote on CAL's concessionary contract was protecting the 100% lump sum retirement option. Captain S. gets a check for around $900k. Yeah, it probably should be more but it's a whole lot more than many will get and the very best we could have preserved.

 

[Mr.B]

We need to be vigilant of Age 70. These same guys who pushed Age 65 will reload and push for Age 70 when the time is right. Same agenda, same arguments will be used in my opinion. Granted, it will be a much harder "sell" this time but they must be stopped.

Greedy bastages.