Age 65 Stinks

[Flopgut]

There are several hundred retired 121 airline pilots at Netjets alone that would tell you THIS statement is an abject falsehood.

And every single one of them passed an interview to be there. They had to demonstrate sufficient discipline, professionalism, and enthusiasm to be there. You can not say the same of the ones the airline is forced to keep because of 65. It's the opposite. 90% of them you wouldn't hire to fly trafic watch.

 

[Flopgut]

Many charter operators won't type them, they've been in a very different, rigid environment far too long for most corporate and charter jobs, and very few find work.

All too often it's rightfully so. They've been out to pasture since age 55 and their give a damm meter is broke. They stall airlplanes at altitude, offend customers and coworkers and haven't read the AFM in a decade.

 

[Flopgut]

Age 60 retirement was young enough that pilots who still had it together could go find another job. (and in the case of NJA, it was a pretty good one) There will still be a few pilots who can cut it at 65 just like 60 but it's just too old. They won't get hired at 65 and that will be absolute age discrimination and very unfortunate indeed. But that's what you get when guys like Avbug get their way.

The pilots who had thier crap together left at 60. The ones you wouldn't trust to reheat your lunch in a microwave are staying to 65. And want to stay longer.

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

Blood? What blood? Another lie. Age 65 isn't a safety issue. Your assertion to the contrary is, of course, a lie.

When you can respond without constant distraction and lies, by all means feel free to play again. Presently you're so far misguided and so full of mistruth that anything further you have to offer is lacking credibility, and therefore a waste of time. Perhaps in the future, you can do better.

Avgas,

Still think Age 65 isn’t a safety issue? I like to hear your spin on this one. I guess we’re all liars.

Nice save by the Continental FO’s!! Great job!!

AA767AV8TOR

Continental spokeswoman Kelly Cripe declined to comment on the report and said the airline did not plan to release the pilot's name. The airline has previously said the captain was 60 years old and had served Continental for 32 years.

The co-pilots for Flight 61 safely landed the plane with 247 passengers at Newark airport shortly before noon after a doctor on board tried to revive the captain with a defibrillator.

According to the khou.com report, Lenell, a father and grandfather, lived on a farm with his wife outside Houston.

Lenell's wife Lynda said her husband appeared to have no known heart problems, according to the report. Lynda Lenell said co-pilots thought he was asleep, but realized something was wrong once they could not wake him up, the report said.

Lynda Lenell said her husband served in the Vietnam War as an Air Force pilot, the report said.

Dr. Julien Struyven, 72, a cardiologist who answered a mid-flight call from the crew for medical assistance, said there was no chance to save the pilot. He was dead when Struyven arrived at the cockpit, though Struyven attempted to revive him with a defibrillator.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

The truth is I would rather have my family in the back of an airliner being piloted by an over 60 guy than one of these 22 year old, green behind the ears "under 60" pilots any day of the week. You need look no further than the Hudson and BUF. Harsh but true.

Funny I don't see any 60 plus year old pilots flying F-16's in the military. I also wonder why they have a cut off date of 30 years old to BECOME a pilot. They even let low time pilots fly there missions in Iraq with very nice fighter jets and stuff. You think they would let a 60 plus dude in a cockpit like that and think he is medicaly fit? Your logic makes no sense.

 

[The Prussian]

Three and a half more years of listening to this crud!!! uke:

 

[waveflyer]

The fact is that most pilots who retire from the airlines don't find other work. Many charter operators won't type them, they've been in a very different, rigid environment far too long for most corporate and charter jobs, and very few find work. That a few have managed to find employment doing fractional is great...but that's a small percentage of those who retire. By and large, those who do retire are done when it comes to finding work.

To toss a man to the street when he's still got work left in him, but when he can't get it elsewhere, is wrong. The Age 60 restrictions were wrong, and age 65 is somewhat of an improvement...but still a restriction that should be pushed back or eliminated. No falsehood about it.

So why aren't they hired? Loss of perspective? Superiority complex? Inflexible attitudes?
Noone in this career made up the age 60 rule- but it's been here for all of us since we started. And proving that boomers are in fact the entitlement generation- you took a power grab. You can't actually compete, you got weak- protected by seniority- so you keep your "position" for another 5 years since "competing" would be out of the question....

Right.

 

[Flopgut]

Many charter operators won't type them, they've been in a very different, rigid environment far too long for most corporate and charter jobs, and very few find work.

Waveflyer: Avbug reveals a whole lot with the "very different, rigid environment" statement. Classic mantra of the arrogant airline pilot who's become a pig that no one can stand. Usually a marginal aviator, these types are rarely hired after normal airline retirement and there is always a long list of real good reasons why. But if you ask them? It's because they are "from a very different, rigid environment".

 

[Flopgut]

There is no such thing as cradle to grave employment in aviation. We don't put children in the cockpit (save for those unprofessionals childish enough to demand that others above them step aside so that they take what isn't theirs). We don't normally have people die in the cockpit. Your assertion, even by insinuation, that anything remotely like "cradle to grave" employment exists is misplaced,

This pretty much sums it up, I think. Avbug shoots his mouth off and then events unfold that prove him to be the completely clueless, lying hypocrite he assails everyone who disagrees with him as, and he's suddenly silent?!

 

[Flopgut]

Three and a half more years of listening to this crud!!! uke:

I plan to complain for at least another 8.5 years, and frankly, you better like it! Because that will be less than half the time I've had to listen to guys like Prater gripe about scabs and the strike (which was no different than 65) so you consider yourself lucky.

 

[Linedriver]

Hey guys, thanks for waiting! I just got back from beating that dead horse across the street and, well - it's still dead......

Whew! That was close!

 

[fob727]

Hey guys, thanks for waiting! I just got back from beating that dead horse across the street and, well - it's still dead......

Whew! That was close!

Good one there, LD. lol

 

[FoxHunter]

Received copy of this email today,

"xxxxxx,
Last week, Capt. Brian McManus, a Delta 767ER pilot, landed at JFK, drove home to Conn. The next morning he was found dead. HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD. He missed passing away in flight by about 12 hours. Perhaps the mandatory age should be 49 ! By the way, Capt McManus was a staunch advocate of keeping the age at 60, since as he once told me, "60 is when you really start to become a health risk"
xxxx

http://www.legacy.com/HartfordCourant/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=128012722

 

[007]

I know............you old geezers can go ahead and fly till you keel over at the controls.....but I say that whoever is flying with you at the time has immediate rights to you seniority number. That should fix the problem.

 

[Flopgut]

Received copy of this email today,

"xxxxxx,
Last week, Capt. Brian McManus, a Delta 767ER pilot, landed at JFK, drove home to Conn. The next morning he was found dead. HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD. He missed passing away in flight by about 12 hours. Perhaps the mandatory age should be 49 ! By the way, Capt McManus was a staunch advocate of keeping the age at 60, since as he once told me, "60 is when you really start to become a health risk"
xxxx

http://www.legacy.com/HartfordCourant/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=128012722

That sort of death has always been a reality. The difference now is if Capt. McManus perishes in flight, the remaining pilot might be well over 60. We don't know for sure what's going to happen, but that day is getting closer. If you knew the details of CAL's B757 divert with a dead pilot a few years ago, you'd have a more cautionary attitude. We're one bad day from there being a separate govt agency established to monitor our health, and being forced to wear a defibulator wired to the standby bus while in flight. All so you can work a little longer.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Flopgut:

It's just all about you and anything to get what you want. As I have commented before, you and your crowd would gladly kick your own parents out of their homes and into the street so you could move in. They're just too old to enjoy what they worked so hard to have. It's your turn, right?

 

[Abernathy]

Same old tired song. Your sense of entitlement. You wan to live and die by seniority, but feel you're entitled to what those more senior than you have.

Entitlement? What's ironic is that the pilots who retired at age 60 years ago gave those of you who pushed for 65 the opportunity to get where you are when you did. Yet you are "entitled" to a little more?

If this is too much for you to fathom, find another line of work.

No. This is a pilot board. Pilots do three things. Eat, Fly, and Bitch. If you don't like it, find another line of work.

 

[jetjockey#1]

Received copy of this email today,

"xxxxxx,
Last week, Capt. Brian McManus, a Delta 767ER pilot, landed at JFK, drove home to Conn. The next morning he was found dead. HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD. He missed passing away in flight by about 12 hours. Perhaps the mandatory age should be 49 ! By the way, Capt McManus was a staunch advocate of keeping the age at 60, since as he once told me, "60 is when you really start to become a health risk"
xxxx

http://www.legacy.com/HartfordCourant/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=128012722

You sir are a moron.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Brian is suspected to have die of something else than a natural death. I'll leave it at that out of respect for him.

Age 60 should never have been changed. ALPA should have fought it tooth and nail, since the majority of ALPA members did not want it changed. The fact of the matter is most of the pro 60+ pilots, at legacies, have been making >150K a year for the last 15+ years. And now all of the sudden, if they retire they are going to be bankrupt. BS, 3-4 more years is not going to change the mess you have made out of your life. This is all about greed, and about John Prater returning favors. I hope he is happy, he has pushed this profession even further down the sh** hole. I hope you or any guy over 60 still flying is very proud of the fact that some of us might be furloughed in our 30s with wife and young children and have never made over 100K yet, while you enjoy the time you all stole from us.

Please don't mention BM on this board anymore.

 

[Freight Dog]

Received copy of this email today,

"xxxxxx,
Last week, Capt. Brian McManus, a Delta 767ER pilot, landed at JFK, drove home to Conn. The next morning he was found dead. HE WAS 49 YEARS OLD. He missed passing away in flight by about 12 hours. Perhaps the mandatory age should be 49 ! By the way, Capt McManus was a staunch advocate of keeping the age at 60, since as he once told me, "60 is when you really start to become a health risk"
xxxx

http://www.legacy.com/HartfordCourant/DeathNotices.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=128012722

FoxHunter, are you suggesting we lower the retirement age? I mean, if people dying in-flight are all in their 50's or even 40's, can you please tell me how it makes any sense to RAISE the mandatory retirement age?

 

[FoxHunter]

You sir are a moron.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Brian is suspected to have die of something else than a natural death. I'll leave it at that out of respect for him.

Age 60 should never have been changed. ALPA should have fought it tooth and nail, since the majority of ALPA members did not want it changed. The fact of the matter is most of the pro 60+ pilots, at legacies, have been making >150K a year for the last 15+ years. And now all of the sudden, if they retire they are going to be bankrupt. BS, 3-4 more years is not going to change the mess you have made out of your life. This is all about greed, and about John Prater returning favors. I hope he is happy, he has pushed this profession even further down the sh** hole. I hope you or any guy over 60 still flying is very proud of the fact that some of us might be furloughed in our 30s with wife and young children and have never made over 100K yet, while you enjoy the time you all stole from us.

Please don't mention BM on this board anymore.

Sorry for your unhappy state of affairs. Although there were times in the past that I thought my timing could have much better I find in hindsight I could not have been more lucky. When your furlough time starts to exceed my 8+ years you may start to make me feel guilty.