Age 65, Merger...Scary time to be new at Cal

[coogebeachhotel]

What would happen if merger and then reduction in fleet size?

 

[Turtlesfly]

Merge with ExpressJet, you mean? HAhahahaha, sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

[Patriot328]

What would happen if merger and then reduction in fleet size?

Damn good question... I'd rather not think about it at this moment. Knock on wood, I'd retire in the top 40-ish at CAL as it stands. The bullsh*t age 65 alone won't change that, though it will ruin junior guys' QOL and career expectations for serveral years. However, how many furloughs does UAL have? Back to 11/99? CAL is retiring 2,000+ in the next 10 years. A straight DOH would wipe out nearly ALL career expectations a junior CAL pilot would have. That can't be allowed to happen.

This'll be very interesting, if it even comes to pass.


Here's hoping to never flying with a UAL pilot. And I mean that in the best way possible! :beer:

 

[celloman]

"Merge with ExpressJet, you mean? HAhahahaha, sorry, I couldn't resist. "

I say we staple CAL... OK OK just kidding!

Best of luck to Yall!!!

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

However, how many furloughs does UAL have? Back to 11/99? CAL is retiring 2,000+ in the next 10 years. A straight DOH would wipe out nearly ALL career expectations a junior CAL pilot would have. That can't be allowed to happen.

:beer:

Many, many UAL furloughees are not going back. SWA has a former 15 year UAL Captain (gave 2 weeks notice) currently in training, so I hear.

I personally know UAL pilots that gave 2 weeks notice for FedEx and UPS. They won't be going back. Just imagine what the furloughees are up to.

As far as CAL is concerned, some of their new hires are interviewing at SWA and will leave if offered the chance.

Please note, I am not an arrogant SWA fanatic. Just reporting the fact that many people are choosing to make moves right now.

 

[Captain Overs]

Many, many UAL furloughees are not going back. SWA has a former 15 year UAL Captain (gave 2 weeks notice) currently in training, so I hear.

I personally know UAL pilots that gave 2 weeks notice for FedEx and UPS. They won't be going back. Just imagine what the furloughees are up to.

As far as CAL is concerned, some of their new hires are interviewing at SWA and will leave if offered the chance.

Please note, I am not an arrogant SWA fanatic. Just reporting the fact that many people are choosing to make moves right now.

CAL types their FO's. Maybe that is why they are hiring guys with NO PIC! They don't want them to leave for SWA.

 

[Jomama]

CAL types their FO's.

Maybe that is why they are hiring guys with NO PIC!

They don't want them to leave for SWA.

Wrong!

 

[Captain Overs]

I know a few guys personally who left CAL for SWA. So I don't think I'm wrong.

 

[propjob27]

CAL does type all their FOs, regardless of equipment type. I dont personally know of anyone who has come here, gotten the type, and then left for SWA. I do know of two new-hire guys who left for FedEX, and one who left for UPS. But again, I haven't heard of anyone punching out for SWA.

 

[BID]

Scary time to be at CAL? I think it is a scary time to be an airline pilot!

A friend of mine asked me if I would now try SWA? No thanks. SWA is a great company, but it was not my top choice prior to 9-11 and that has not changed.

As previously stated, the age 65 rule would affect the whole airline industry and not just CAL. A merger, well that would just suck.

You can't be scared and be an airline pilot, there are just too many changes in the industry. Every single airline out there has it's problems, so you do the best you can and sit back and enjoy the ride.

 

[Jomama]

Capt. overs, if you think CAL is hiring guys with no PIC ...your wrong,

You might be right about guys leaving for SWA but I know people who were just hired from other airlines that have recently come to CAL...it's a personal choice depending on many factors.

 

[Captain Overs]

I should be more specific. No Turbine PIC required. A friend of mine in class right now told me of a guy from Mesa in class that doesn't have an ATP. His dad hooked him up.

 

[Jomama]

I should be more specific. No Turbine PIC required. A friend of mine in class right now told me of a guy from Mesa in class that doesn't have an ATP. His dad hooked him up.

Now thats the way to do it!!!!!

 

[kevin_p]

If the guy from Mesa without an ATP is the same guy I'm thinking of, he met all the required mins, but had no turbine PIC. I'm not sure about his dad, but I do know that he did an internship with Continental and that was the primary reason he got the interview.

 

[bluefin]

328 thats a pretty assinine comment you made. " Ruin the expectations of junior CAL pilots " What about the thousands of other pilots that had their career expectations, and ended in unemployment and welfare lines after they were furloughed? If it goes by doh and a furloughed pilot comes off the street and bumps a new hire, then thats just too bad. If new hire's career expectations don't include a furlough or merger, then they are surely going to be sorry.

 

[FN FAL]

What would happen if merger and then reduction in fleet size?

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[Patriot328]

328 thats a pretty assinine comment you made. " Ruin the expectations of junior CAL pilots " What about the thousands of other pilots that had their career expectations, and ended in unemployment and welfare lines after they were furloughed? If it goes by doh and a furloughed pilot comes off the street and bumps a new hire, then thats just too bad. If new hire's career expectations don't include a furlough or merger, then they are surely going to be sorry.

bluefin, if you work for UAL - or even if you don't, I'd like to know what your opinion was when UAL and USAir were going to merge back in 2000. I doubt it's not the same as you just spouted off. Bunch of senior USAir guys wanted to come in to UAL and wipe out the UAL pilots' career expectations. I doubt it would have happened that way. We each go to these airlines and we have to live with the decision. If those furloughed at UAL had gone to CAL back in 2000, they'd be back and rapidly moving up a list right now. No one could foresee that, obviously, and many people chose UAL instead. Afterall, they were the biggest and "best", right? Merging with CAL shouldn't become a jobs program for furloughed UAL pilots. Do you think AWA should start furloughing so they can bring back all the USAir people that are on the street?

 

[FurloughedTwice]

Just my opinion but I really doubt both UAL and CAL are going to want furloughed UAL pilots coming off the street just to furlough pilots at CAL. I'm not saying they won't come back and be senior someday but they will not start furloughing pilots at CAL and spend the money retraining UAL pilots. That would cost a fortune!! I'm sure they would work out some deal that the furloughed pilots come back as needed. As far as seniority.... who knows?

 

[Patriot328]

Furloughed^2, I can see something like that happening. Lists are merged (DOH, Ratio, whatever), then furloughs (both old and possibly new ones that are caused by the merger) are brought back as needed. How they are integrated will most assuredly affect the juniors at CAL. I mentioned on another thread: CAL has 2000 pilots retiring over the next several years. In theory that would move a new pilot here 50% up the seniority less, more or less. A junior CAL pilot post merger can find himself or herself at the very bottom 10 years from now as furloughs are brought back. Now, I know the realities of it will probably mean not all UAL furloughs would come back, but mathematically it'd be possible.

 

[catIIIc]

Just look what is happening with USAir Furloughed guys, a precendent has been set. An arbitrator will decide their fate.