Age 60 rule

[alaskaplt]

it'll change sometime because it is age discrimination either side you are on. Oppose it or change it be let them finally make a desicion and be done debating this to death. There are 59 and 364 day olds that shouldn't fly just as there are 30 years olds and they can't fly either.

No matter what age you put it at it would still be age discrimination. Any age is somewhat arbitrary. Besides these people benifited from the rule now they want it changed. Would you like to have some cake with that cake you are eating.

 

[PHXFLYR]

67??!! holy crap! keep movin 'em out at 60. would companies still offer the same retirement packages at 60 and let people fly longer if they want to or what? oh well its almost 40 more years for me

WHAT retirement package ??!!??


PHXFLYR

 

[N1kawotg]

WHAT retirement package ??!!??



Exactlly why the rule will change. Pension that were counted on to get you thru the golden years are being wacked because of mismanagement, instead of fixing the problems they took from employers. I'm not saying congress is smart but I think they can figure this one out. Give everyone more earning years to make back the money that was stolen from them by their not so smart CEO's. This will dispute the 5 wives, kids in college, should have planned on this, and they knew the rules when they starting in this industry so tough. This has always been debated, we know this has always been debated, so why so surprised. As slow as gov't, it might pass now after 30 years or more of debate--there is now just more pilots debating for it. In the words of Forrest Gump- That's all I get to say about that.

 

[LarryinTN]

Slow, yes, dug, don't know!

"Slow" implies movement. There has been no movement. The FAA's position is that any change would have to be shown to be nuetral, or an improvement, on safety.

 

[FNG_that's me]

Any truth to the rumor that guys of furlough, probation or military recall can't vote in the survey. Doesn't ALPA represent them too?

 

[Andy Neill]

But the currently proposed legislation is not for 63 or 65. It's for 67!

To be more precise, it is to change it to the social security retirement age which is rising from 65 to 67 over a period of time.

"Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Administrator may not, solely by reason of a person's age, if such person has not attained the person's social security retirement age as defined in section 216(l) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 416(l))--"

If you look up that section it will show that the 67 limit won't be in effect until 2027.

 

[FoxHunter]

Any truth to the rumor that guys of furlough, probation or military recall can't vote in the survey. Doesn't ALPA represent them too?

All those you mention have never had a vote with ALPA. Hell, there was a time co-pilots only had a 1/2 vote each.

 

[Falconjet]

Sounds just like the rationalization ALPA has spouted out to suppress the VIEWS of the furloughed and apprentice members. OUR MEC has come out against this rationalization and obvious attempt to skew the numbers in favor of a rule change and I applaud OUR MEC for doing so. OUR MEC sent the national chair a letter requesting that apprentice and furloughed members be allowed to participate in the SURVEY. Kudos to our MEC.

If ALPA wants to know how the membership would VOTE on the issue then they should simply have a VOTE. End of story.

Instead, they are holding a sort of practice bid with only the folks who they feel will support a change in a disingenuous effort to skew the data in the direction the senior clanks in the national office want it to go.

How on earth do you justify having Canadian Pilots express thier OPINION on a US law and not allow those most impacted by the law, the furloughees and junior apprentice members, to give their OPINION on the law?

You do that because you don't want or care what the junior guys think, and are afraid it will drive the numbers in the opposite direction of where they want them.

Very, very sad in my opinion. Just drives a bigger wedge between the junior and senior members of ALPA and alienates a large portion of the future membership from the current. More of the pull up the ladder I've got mine.

ALPA national might as well just decide to endorse their position on the law change without surveying the membership and drop the facade of REPRESENTING everybody, just like they do when the endorse a political candidate. It would be more honorable than screwing those who are waiting to become legitimate in ALPA National's eyes.

FJ

 

[wndshr]

just sent my email.....proposing a ATC style retirement age (56) and pension! government funded!


anyone wish they woulda become a controller at the tender age of 23...making good bank IMMEDIATELY after graduating from OK city?



MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

 

[robert_fla]

Man, If You Got 40 Years Left. Get Out Of This Industry!!

R

 

[RJP]

If the rule gets changed, be prepared for much more intrusive and demanding physicals. It may prevent many to even make it to age 60. JMHO

I don't know. My Grandmother was able to renew her driver's license by MAIL when she was pushing 80. Maybe ALPA will hook everyone up!

 

[capt. megadeth]

Why would anyone want to work past 60? C'mon people! Don't you want to enjoy some years off work before you kick the bucket? I would.

 

[FoxHunter]

Why would anyone want to work past 60? C'mon people! Don't you want to enjoy some years off work before you kick the bucket? I would.

These days there are plenty that have to work past 60, and most would just like to do it because they enjoy what they do. Your just far too young to understand so I'll just leave it at that.

 

[seefive]

yes, ALPA is excluding furloughed pilots from this survey. They have recently stated that they are now conducting an identical survey for the military leave members and the apprentice members. This is because many pilots indicated to ALPA that they are intentionally skewing the results. They won't let the furloughed guys participate because it is obvious that they would register answers against the age 60 change. make no mistake, ALPA wants this changed. why are we even discussing it after so many years against this change. It's about money, plain and simple.

By the way, this is a survey.........not a vote. Everyone, including furloughees should get a say in this issue which ALPA is going to offer a position on.

 

[LarryinTN]

To be more precise, it is to change it to the social security retirement age which is rising from 65 to 67 over a period of time.

Anyone currently working as an airline pilot in the US was born in 1945 or later. The SS retirement age for those born in 1945 is 66. That retirement age applies to anyone who will be 51, or older, by the end of 2005. Nobody currently flying for US airlines would be forced to retire before age 66 if the currently proposed legislation becomes law.

Those who will be at least 45 by the end of this year have a SS retirement age of 67.

Those who fall inbetween, 46 - 52 by year's end, will have a SS retirement age of 66 years plus some number months. You can see the specific age on the chart on the following page: http://www.ssa.gov/retirechartred.htm

There is also separate legislation being proposed in Congress which would raise the SS retirement age even further, to age 68.

 

[Neubyfly]

Today is the last day to take the ALPA survey!!!!!! You have until 10am ET

http://www.alpa.org/Default.aspx?tabid=392

 

[Andy Neill]

To be more precise, it is to change it to the social security retirement age which is rising from 65 to 67 over a period of time.

"Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Administrator may not, solely by reason of a person's age, if such person has not attained the person's social security retirement age as defined in section 216(l) of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 416(l))--"

If you look up that section it will show that the 67 limit won't be in effect until 2027.

Section 416(l) refers to EARLY retirement age which is 62 regardless of when you were born. That doesn't change what we are both saying (the 67 limit won't be in effect until those born in 1960 and later reach 67) but just a point of accuracy.

Those who will be at least 45 by the end of this year have a SS retirement age of 67.

I think you meant "Those who will be no MORE than 45 by the end of this year have a SS retirement age of 67." In other words, those born in 1960 or later.

Choice is a wonderful thing. I would like being able to choose to retire at 60 (or 58 for that matter) or to retire at 66 or any other age in between. I would like to be able to choose to put all my retirement eggs into SS or to have a Personal Retirement Account. Free agency is one of the most precious things we have if used wisely. This legislation gives us more opportunities to exercise our reasoning powers and to act on them.

 

[LarryinTN]

Choice is a wonderful thing. I would like being able to choose to retire at 60

Unfortunetly, your 'choice' will negatively effect others.

 

[capt. megadeth]

These days there are plenty that have to work past 60, and most would just like to do it because they enjoy what they do. Your just far too young to understand so I'll just leave it at that.

Hey Holmes....
I may be young but I have been working 2 jobs for the past 7 years. I love flying, but I don't think I will be wanting to work until the day before I die. I also don't think we should be changing the age 60 rule because some people "enjoy working".

 

[FoxHunter]

Hey Holmes....
I may be young but I have been working 2 jobs for the past 7 years. I love flying, but I don't think I will be wanting to work until the day before I die. I also don't think we should be changing the age 60 rule because some people "enjoy working".

But it really does not matter what you think, the rule will change. BTW, you have to get the job first in order to get the chance to work until the day before you die.