Again, USAir is still looking for that next merger.......

[Tomct]

USAir/AA, the mother of all abortions.

QUICK....take the morning after pill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Saabslime]

I used to think the AA merger talk was pure B.S. but a friend of mine who is the head of customer support for one of our parts vendors tells me they've been tasked with crunching the numbers for a combined fleet between US and AA...........son of a:bawling:

 

[Turtle21]

I used to think the AA merger talk was pure B.S. but a friend of mine who is the head of customer support for one of our parts vendors tells me they've been tasked with crunching the numbers for a combined fleet between US and AA...........son of a:bawling:

Was your friend tasked to crunch the numbers when USAir and United or Delta were in talks?

 

[flythere]

As I said before, Us Air is looking for another victim!

 

[On Your Six]

This strikes me as the most likely of a series of unlikely mergers. From a route and business perspective it makes the most sense. I have no idea how a SLI would look, but there is a theory that says it could be chance for everybody to take a deep breath, step back, and start anew. Wishful thinking maybe. AA and the East side could be close enough in age/relative position/DOH to merge fairly peacefully... the West has the most to lose in a merger, but perhaps given a much larger list the rest of the pilot group could be convinced to slot them in something approaching relative seniority position since it would have minor negative impact on everybody else. 1600 West pilots into a combined list of over 14,000.

Nobody on the USAir side would start over. If there were an SLI with AA, the USAir side would use the binding arbitration award from Nicelau, and the USAir East side would have to accept it. I am sure the AA guys wouldn't put up with the East side nonsense. The question is "could you ever trust them again with any agreement?". Their signature on anything has very little credibility.


OYS

 

[General Lee]

Nobody on the USAir side would start over. If there were an SLI with AA, the USAir side would use the binding arbitration award from Nicelau, and the USAir East side would have to accept it. I am sure the AA guys wouldn't put up with the East side nonsense. The question is "could you ever trust them again with any agreement?". Their signature on anything has very little credibility.


OYS

OYS,

I have been saying that since the Easties said no and kicked ALPA out. They are a bunch of wheenies. Those guys at American are going to love dealing with them if they ever do merge. I think the American pilot group is larger than the Easties, so USAPA would be voted out too, and then they would be in trouble.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Full of LUV]

OYS,

I have been saying that since the Easties said no and kicked ALPA out. They are a bunch of wheenies. Those guys at American are going to love dealing with them if they ever do merge. I think the American pilot group is larger than the Easties, so USAPA would be voted out too, and then they would be in trouble.


Bye Bye---General Lee

That would be a path out of the quagmire that is us air's current SLI. APA would become the agent for the combined pilot group, acccept Nic, and negotiate from there, hopefully with an industry leading contract.

 

[waveflyer]

Not only that, the only reason the east has gotten away with what it has is bc they have a voting majority- one that would disappear immediately w/ a merger w/ a larger carrier. And AA pilots would NOT put up w/ an attempt.

 

[reepicheep]

I think the AA folks would be fine with Nic. - they would happily propose to keep it intact when they staple it to the bottom of their list.

 

[eaglesview]

If AA were to merge with USAir the only heartburn would be with the west. It's not rocket science here. The East does not pose a threat to anyones career. By the time the dust settled a large portion of them would be gone or about to head out the door. Not so on the West side. If I were an AA pilot I would through the nic out in a heartbeat and start over. The Nic puts younger pilots higher up the list. Younger pilots ahead of you on the seniority list is bad news. Older folks ahead of you is temporary bad news. AA's pilot age with USAirs would be a win for the West no matter where they ended up. Problem is, like it or not, is the the West pilots seem to want instant reward.

 

[ackattacker]

That would be a path out of the quagmire that is us air's current SLI. APA would become the agent for the combined pilot group, acccept Nic, and negotiate from there, hopefully with an industry leading contract.

I *really* don't have a side in this. However I feel that as time goes by it becomes less and less likely that any new integration/arbitration process would use the Nic from 2007. They might end up with something that resembles the Nic, but they wouldn't call it that if only because the word is so emotionally charged. Also, now that most everybody has been recalled it becomes more difficult to justify stapling xx numbers of pilots onto the bottom simply because they happened to be on furlough in 2005. Keep in mind that AA has a lot of pilots on furlough right now and would likely be unsympathetic to such a system, not to mention the bitter memories of the TWA acquisition.

 

[Saabslime]

Was your friend tasked to crunch the numbers when USAir and United or Delta were in talks?

He says United yes but Delta no. Who knows what it means if anything......just passing along the speculative info.

 

[reepicheep]

Meanwhile, back on planet earth....

 

[Fubijaakr]

If I were an AA pilot I would through the nic out in a heartbeat and start over.

Except you couldn't. The award is the final, binding arbitration no matter what the pickleballers think. All they're doing is delaying it with continued legal challenges. At the end of the day, Nic will stand. The Nic list will be the basis of the subsequent AA/LCC SLI negotiations.

Problem is, like it or not, is the the West pilots seem to want instant reward.

Not really. All they want is implementation of the final, binding arbitration award that both sides agreed to honor in the first place.

 

[Crzipilot]

As the 9th said, USAPA is free to negotiate any seniority list they desire.......And not until such a list is implemented can the west sue for DFR.

Sooooo.....accept our list, get a contract, then you can file your DFRII.

Role the dice, throw another 2.5 million out there. How much is ALPA going to reimburse AOL the 2nd time around?

 

[On Your Six]

As the 9th said, USAPA is free to negotiate any seniority list they desire.......And not until such a list is implemented can the west sue for DFR.

Sooooo.....accept our list, get a contract, then you can file your DFRII.

Role the dice, throw another 2.5 million out there. How much is ALPA going to reimburse AOL the 2nd time around?

The West guys are paid more than the East per hour on the same aircraft, so the East guys can just make less and pout. If a merger with AA does happen, then USAPA will be voted out by a sudden majority, and Nic will stand. Then, arbitration will happen again for the new USAir and AA combo. Then Dogs will kiss Cats, and peace on Earth will be achieved. AMEN.


OYS

 

[HA25]

I got a better plan....

JetBlue/USAir/Alaska... why does everyone think it always has to be a merger of two?

That would make for 4 major airlines and we're back to pre-deregulation all over again..

 

[Metrojet]

I got a better plan....

JetBlue/USAir/Alaska... why does everyone think it always has to be a merger of two?

That would make for 4 major airlines and we're back to pre-deregulation all over again..

The rumor is PHX hub going to Jetblue

 

[Bringupthebird]

If AA came into the picture Philly would be abandoned like,... well like the rest of Philly!

 

[reepicheep]

CLT's the one living on borrowed time....