"After Merger, Delta May Get U.S. Aid to Foil Unions"

[Voice Of Reason]

So you don't want to explain your post where you call the Delta pilots every name in the book?

IMHO, as someone who has sat with and across from F&H counsel, Ford and Harrison are average attorneys who represent their clients.

1) My post is self-explanatory, and my opinion of that debacle...but good try attempting to resurrect the LOA19 debate. WRONG thread


2) One of the FOUNDING members of F&H cannot be considered the "average" attorney to a pilot group.


3) Don't expect to change the topic of this thread and get further response (like you do on every other thread).

 

[Andy Neill]

This article is referring to the past practice of the NMB accepting just authorization cards to certify a union as long as there are at least 50% +1 of the members signing them and management doesn't object. They're changing their past practice in this case and refusing to even entertain their long-standing policy. Just yet another case of the most anti-labor administration in American history screwing over the little guy.

Could someone remind me the last time a union was established at a carrier without management objection? Not saying it hasn't happened - just can't think of when. If this provision has never been used, then it would not be a real loss if this policy change was implemented. In practical terms, it wouldn't then either. Just hold the election and the 50% +1 carry the day with the management smiling on.

Of course if you're saying that management was swayed in their approval by the 50% + 1 cards being submitted under duress, then I can see how you are losing a club. Naaahhhh - Unions wouldn't use coercion in their organization efforts - would they?

 

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1) My post is self-explanatory, and my opinion of that debacle...but good try attempting to resurrect the LOA19 debate. WRONG thread
3) Don't expect to change the topic of this thread and get further response (like you do on every other thread).

You posted the link to your previous post, here:

(side note: NW/DL Pilots as well, should keep their eyes on Mike Campbell (founding member of especially pilot hating union busting law firm Ford & Harrison http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=109308&highlight=Ford+%26amp%3B+Harrison ) ...he was put in as EVP

When you link to your completely incorrect post on LOA 19 you make your credibility the issue for your reader.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

nevermind

 

[tomgoodman]

It would never happen today

Could someone remind me the last time a union was established at a carrier without management objection? Not saying it hasn't happened - just can't think of when.

It probably was when Charles Dolson organized the Delta pilots (ALPA). Company founder C.E. Woolman was disappointed, but did not oppose the move. Dolson later succeeded Woolman as Delta CEO.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

You posted the link to your previous post, here:
When you link to your completely incorrect post on LOA 19 you make your credibility the issue for your reader.

I guess that really doesn't make him the voice of reason:laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

Could someone remind me the last time a union was established at a carrier without management objection?

Just a few months ago the Colgan FAs were unionized under the USW without an election. Just the cards were used. It's not a common occurrence, but it does happen on occasion, and to disregard that past practice is just one more reprehensible action by the most anti-labor administration in American history.

 

[PCL_128]

Surely you're not counting on a politician to guarantee you a solid career path? If you are, get ready for some serious disappointment.

I just want a level playing field instead of the pro-management, anti-labor bull---- that we've been putting up with for eight years. One candidate will provide that. The other will make things even worse. The choice is obvious.

 

[Andy Neill]

Just a few months ago the Colgan FAs were unionized under the USW without an election. Just the cards were used. It's not a common occurrence, but it does happen on occasion, and to disregard that past practice is just one more reprehensible action by the most anti-labor administration in American history.

Maybe my search skills have declined severely, but I couldn't find a representation case on Colgan Flight Attendants on the NMB website. Further, I could find no discussion on FI on this. Can you give me a reference?

 

[PCL_128]

Maybe my search skills have declined severely, but I couldn't find a representation case on Colgan Flight Attendants on the NMB website. Further, I could find no discussion on FI on this. Can you give me a reference?

Do a google search. There a few references on the net, but it didn't make big news.

 

[McNugget]

I just want a level playing field instead of the pro-management, anti-labor bull---- that we've been putting up with for eight years. One candidate will provide that. The other will make things even worse. The choice is obvious.

How do you know that Obama will provide that?

 

[PCL_128]

How do you know that Obama will provide that?

He has a very consistent pro-labor record.

 

[McNugget]

Will Obama side with the unions, if a strike vote is passed?

 

[Andy Neill]

Do a google search. There a few references on the net, but it didn't make big news.

Happened Sep 2007 - got it. Thanks.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_pwwi/is_200709/ai_n19524519

 

[PCL_128]

Will Obama side with the unions, if a strike vote is passed?

Not sure what you're asking here. An Obama NMB would actually be willing to release employee groups into self help, if that's what you're asking.