AE bypassing first year pay??

[cbattags1]

I just heard from a friend interviewing at Eagle that they are plannning on offering second year FO pay from day one. Is there any truth to this rumor? I sure hope so. Would definitely be a sign that the industry is turning around somewhat.

 

[CitationLover]

I just heard from a friend interviewing at Eagle that they are plannning on offering second year FO pay from day one. Is there any truth to this rumor? I sure hope so. Would definitely be a sign that the industry is turning around somewhat.

uh no. this would require an opening of our contract, which is not sheduled to be opened until 2008 (at which point will be the ole' 5 arbitrator solution).

 

[eaglefly]

They cannot offer the dissappearing carrot of the flowthru anymore, so another carrot could have been invented.

Pilots start at first-year pay at Eagle.

 

[chucknorris]

not me

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

That's what we did, a long time ago, and it worked very well. We're still getting strong applicants. Yr. 1 pay is about $33k, unless you go from DA-20 to -9 in the first year, then it bumps up to $36k.

cliff
LRD

 

[siucavflight]

Sir your friend is an idiot. Our contract is not able to be open. And do you think that the rest of us will sit around and allow a 500 hour ERAU wonder baby make more then us?

 

[coltsfn8888]

Hey siucavflight, I didn't catch the score in that Colts Bears game howd it turn out? Also how did your bet go?

 

[CopilotDoug]

Hey Colts Fan, let's keep the topic on schedule. Besides, it's now about who won or lost the superbowl, but more importantly, who grew as individuals (Colts fans lost outright on that)

Anywho....yeah, unless they give immediate payraises to all first year new hires, ain't gonna happen. Go back to airliners.net with your rumors

 

[BrazPilot]

Well, just got an ALPA e-mail saying that there is Tentative Agreement that a pre-determined number of F/O's will be typed and receive a $10 dollar overide pay while flying as F/O, and awaiting their CA bid award. It also mentions that we might be going to the 9 month training cycle and that ALL F/O's would be CA typed.

If ratified, the program will work as follows:

1. The company will identify how many type rated First Officers it wants on each piece of equipment.
2. The company will then offer to an equal number of pilots who wish to be type rated on their current equipment the opportunity to do so in seniority order.
3. First Officers who are type rated on their current equipment will not be able to fly as Captains until such time as they bid for and are awarded a Captain vacancy and reach the effective date of their vacancy award.
4. First Officers who are type rated on their current equipment will receive a ten dollar per hour override to their current rate of pay.
5. First Officers who are type rated will receive the appropriate Captain’s pay when they are required to fly as Captains during recurrent training or their annual line check.

Secondly, the FAA is moving toward a nine month training cycle for both Captains and First Officers. If this comes to fruition, the company may choose to type rate all First Officers. This program would assist in accomplishing that task.

Good stuff.

 

[Beantown]

Well, just got an ALPA e-mail saying that there is Tentative Agreement that a pre-determined number of F/O's will be typed and receive a $10 dollar overide pay while flying as F/O, and awaiting their CA bid award. It also mentions that we might be going to the 9 month training cycle and that ALL F/O's would be CA typed.

If ratified, the program will work as follows:

1.The company will identify how many type rated First Officers it wants on each piece of equipment.
2.The company will then offer to an equal number of pilots who wish to be type rated on their current equipment the opportunity to do so in seniority order.
3.First Officers who are type rated on their current equipment will not be able to fly as Captains until such time as they bid for and are awarded a Captain vacancy and reach the effective date of their vacancy award.
4.First Officers who are type rated on their current equipment will receive a ten dollar per hour override to their current rate of pay.
5.First Officers who are type rated will receive the appropriate Captain’s pay when they are required to fly as Captains during recurrent training or their annual line check.

Secondly, the FAA is moving toward a nine month training cycle for both Captains and First Officers. If this comes to fruition, the company may choose to type rate all First Officers. This program would assist in accomplishing that task.

Good stuff.

If the typed FO's can't fly as CA then whats the point of this process? Paying for the extra training and an extra $10 an hr get the company what? -Bean

 

[gkrangers]

Sir your friend is an idiot. Our contract is not able to be open. And do you think that the rest of us will sit around and allow a 500 hour ERAU wonder baby make more then us?

Hey, Riddle wonder babies graduate with less than 200 hours! Giving them too much credit..

 

[superatr]

If the typed FO's can't fly as CA then whats the point of this process? Paying for the extra training and an extra $10 an hr get the company what? -Bean

It reduces the training bubble.

 

[siucavflight]

If the typed FO's can't fly as CA then whats the point of this process? Paying for the extra training and an extra $10 an hr get the company what? -Bean

So that when they are ready to upgrade they can just hit the line and they do not have to lose a bunch of pilots while in training.
AE is very short on CA's they are starting to upgrade people like crazy.

 

[BoilerUP]

What's the difference between a CA type ride and an FO PC anyway? A no-flap landing and a circling approach?

 

[siucavflight]

What's the difference between a CA type ride and an FO PC anyway? A no-flap landing and a circling approach?

You got it, and the CA type is a checking event which can result in a pink slip, the FO PC can not.

 

[YODA]

If the typed FO's can't fly as CA then whats the point of this process? Paying for the extra training and an extra $10 an hr get the company what? -Bean

It gives up hope man!! Not all of us can live the dream of becoming a captain in 2 years. J/K, what's up Bean, long time no see..

 

[Beantown]

It gives up hope man!! Not all of us can live the dream of becoming a captain in 2 years. J/K, what's up Bean, long time no see..

Hey Yoda, How's it going? Check your PMs. -Bean

 

[jws717]

You got it, and the CA type is a checking event which can result in a pink slip, the FO PC can not.

I think a busted PC shows up in PRIA? Anyone know the truth?