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Stay current and keep flying. Study hard and consider other opportunites as they present themselves to further your careers.
If United survives, there will be virtually no more growth at ACA on the United side. For various reasons too numerous to mention ACA has essentially shot themselves in the foot in that area (pi$$ing off UAL in court is just one of them). So that means that those pilots on furlough now probably won't get a call back for 1 to 1.5 yrs. Hence those of you in the pool, I'd bet you'd be looking at close to 2 yrs. min.
If UAL were to liquidate, the entire J41 fleet would get parked virtually immediately. That would require an additional 400+ furloughs for a total of 500 furloughed pilots. Those of us on furlough now could not expect to be recalled for 2 yrs or more. That means those of you in the pool, 2.5 to 3 yrs before getting a call. It is unlikely that another code-share will happen. The one airline that ACA is best positioned to code-share with is AA and they are about to seek chap. 11 protection. So don't hold your breath there. Others have been spoken to (Jet Blue for example) but it will be a very cold day you know where before that will become a remotely realistic option. Don't even talk about ACA going independent...you'll never see the bottom of the pool in the next 3 yrs. if that happens.
ACA is in tough shape right now. They still have about 200 extra pilots on the payroll right now. The reason that they aren't being furloughed is that since the union contract reqires furloughs in reverse order of senority, people would get furloughed from the wrong aircraft. This would require ACA to move pilots to positions they needed filled and would require retraining at an estimated cost of $15 million. This is your "bump and flush" furlough. The $15 mil. cost is the only thing keeping those pilots from being furloughed right now. This will show you how overstaffed ACA really is.
There is little doubt that ACA as a company will make it through all this, but exactly in what form no one is sure. Again the best scenario (UAL surviving) has the current furloughies back in 1 yr. to 1.5 yrs. and then poolies after that.
Don't mean to be so "doom and gloom", just giving you the same straight honesty that Tom Moore is giving the employees in the meetings he is having with them. That is where all of this info has come from. Straight from the horses mouth, no conjecture, no second-hand info. The management people are taking 10%+ pay cuts, incentive programs are being stopped and hell, ACA may even stop serving cheeze-snacks on the planes!
Overall, it just "plane" stinks.
Hope this answers some of the poolies questions......
keep flying and keep your knowledge current. I know I plan on it.
Stay current and keep flying. Study hard and consider other opportunites as they present themselves to further your careers.
If United survives, there will be virtually no more growth at ACA on the United side. For various reasons too numerous to mention ACA has essentially shot themselves in the foot in that area (pi$$ing off UAL in court is just one of them). So that means that those pilots on furlough now probably won't get a call back for 1 to 1.5 yrs. Hence those of you in the pool, I'd bet you'd be looking at close to 2 yrs. min.
If UAL were to liquidate, the entire J41 fleet would get parked virtually immediately. That would require an additional 400+ furloughs for a total of 500 furloughed pilots. Those of us on furlough now could not expect to be recalled for 2 yrs or more. That means those of you in the pool, 2.5 to 3 yrs before getting a call. It is unlikely that another code-share will happen. The one airline that ACA is best positioned to code-share with is AA and they are about to seek chap. 11 protection. So don't hold your breath there. Others have been spoken to (Jet Blue for example) but it will be a very cold day you know where before that will become a remotely realistic option. Don't even talk about ACA going independent...you'll never see the bottom of the pool in the next 3 yrs. if that happens.
ACA is in tough shape right now. They still have about 200 extra pilots on the payroll right now. The reason that they aren't being furloughed is that since the union contract reqires furloughs in reverse order of senority, people would get furloughed from the wrong aircraft. This would require ACA to move pilots to positions they needed filled and would require retraining at an estimated cost of $15 million. This is your "bump and flush" furlough. The $15 mil. cost is the only thing keeping those pilots from being furloughed right now. This will show you how overstaffed ACA really is.
There is little doubt that ACA as a company will make it through all this, but exactly in what form no one is sure. Again the best scenario (UAL surviving) has the current furloughies back in 1 yr. to 1.5 yrs. and then poolies after that.
Don't mean to be so "doom and gloom", just giving you the same straight honesty that Tom Moore is giving the employees in the meetings he is having with them. That is where all of this info has come from. Straight from the horses mouth, no conjecture, no second-hand info. The management people are taking 10%+ pay cuts, incentive programs are being stopped and hell, ACA may even stop serving cheeze-snacks on the planes!
Overall, it just "plane" stinks.
Hope this answers some of the poolies questions......
keep flying and keep your knowledge current. I know I plan on it.
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