ACA Dornier payrates???

[Broke in CVG]

What are the payrates for ACA Dornier Capt?

Thanks

 

[46Driver]

Effective May 09, 2003:
Year 3: $50.99
Year 4: $52.69
Year 5: $55.44
Year 6: $57.13
Year 7: $58.82
Year 8: $60.51
Year 13: $69.61 (tops out at Year 13)

 

[Broke in CVG]

There are some rumours running around CMR...

I was just trying to figure out if 4 year Capt would break even having a Dornier line vs CRJ reserve.

 

[exphojump]

Line holding 4 year pay status CA FRJ CVG.

Year to date 2003 earnings as of 08-29-03.

740 hours flight pay

Per diem non tax $2119
Per diem taxable $565

Gross pay $42,317

Our pay increased to the above rates May 9, 2003.

For various reasons I received very little per diem this year and I've picked up no open time due to our furloughs.

7 more paychecks out of 24 remaining.

I'm on target to make about 61K including per diem.

Hope this helps.

 

[exphojump]

Please dish out the rumors

 

[bladeusa]

rumor that i heard.. and one i hope that will never be true.. aca goes on their own.. delta drops them.. delta pays for the dork jets.. comair flys them.. big step backwards in equipt and pay for those that fly them..

 

[46Driver]

Its a step back in pay but you are gonna love the way it flies - the Primus 2000 avionics are top notch as well.

We lose the Dorniers and the J-41's, hmmm, its been said before, "What's the number to that truck driving school...."

 

[exphojump]

Positive points:

It's a blast to fly(Hotrod from hell)

It's more comfortable for the pax.

Better avionics

33 new aircraft on property for CMR or ASA which is a major plus with CRJ orders drying up.

Gives ACAI a better shot at succeeding with only two types of aircraft.

Once I'm displaced from the FRJ I have the option of bidding NB FO without the 3 year seat lock

Cheers

 

[rptrain]

big step backwards in equipt and pay for those that fly them..

you space shuttle drivers crack me up. and you thought mainline guys were snooty!

i sure hated going back to the 150 after flying the 172RG. it had 50% fewer seats. big step backwards.

 

[House_X]

I think an amicable split form Delta is in our future...but I don't think DCI wants the Do-jets. We will be competing with Song and Delta with narrowbodies, that basically violates our contract.
Most likely Boeing/Airbus will take the leases off of our hands as part of the deal.

I wouldn't worry about losing your job when we lose the 41's or even if the Do-jets go away...staffing for the CRJ is going to be high...I heard 8-10 crews per aircraft. Other than our union negotiations for narrowbody payrates...I've heard nothing but good rumors.

The Dornier is a great airplane to fly...personally, I was looking forward to flying the Do-728...I wonder if it's still sitting in that hangar in oberfofinhoffin or however you spell it.....

 

[surplus1]

rumor that i heard.. and one i hope that will never be true.. aca goes on their own.. delta drops them.. delta pays for the dork jets.. comair flys them.. big step backwards in equipt and pay for those that fly them..

Bladeusa,

I'm curious, whom do you think it would be a "big step backwards in equipt and pay" for? Do you mean the CMR pilots that fly them in the future or the ACA pilots that fly them now? Please explain your reasons.
____________________________________________
TO THE ACA DOJET PILOTS

1)If this rumor should happen (and this is the 1st I've heard of it), would you want to stay at ACA or would you want to come to CMR with the aircraft?

2. If you come to CMR with your aircraft, a) how would you expect to be integrated seniority wise? b) would you want to work under your current contract or under the CMR contract (with your current pay)?

 

[General Lee]

Surplus1,

How about we staff them with some of the remaining 1060 Delta furloughs that are out there? They would probably take it even with the pay cut-----probably because they are taking a HUGE paycut on unemployment........That would help them out big time.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[46Driver]

Surplus,
I can only speak for myself but I'll take my chances with ACA for 2 reasons: 1) a chance to grow into a narrowbody LCC and 2) my current seniority at ACA. I would expect that anybody who went over to Comair would go over at the bottom of the Comair seniority list. I am not privy to all of the details of the Comair contract but I think it is incrementally better than ours (I think y'all have some kind of B-fund, don't you?)

General,
No offense, but since it is not economical for mainline pilots to fly 70 seaters, I don't see them flying a 32 seater (although you will have fun with it.)

 

[surplus1]

Surplus,
I can only speak for myself but I'll take my chances with ACA for 2 reasons: 1) a chance to grow into a narrowbody LCC and 2) my current seniority at ACA.

I can understand both of those feelings, especially # 1. I sincerely wish you all the best with the venture. I think the biggest mistake my management made, back when they could make decisions, was to renig on the acquisition of an LCC. The timiming was a lot less risky then and there is no doubt we could have made it. Oh well, sometimes sh!t happens. Good luck!

I would expect that anybody who went over to Comair would go over at the bottom of the Comair seniority list.

That's interesting. I can't speak for anyone but myself either, but unless I miss my guess completely I don't think you'd see anything even close to that. This is Comair, not Delta.

Comair pilots are not inclined to take from others that which does not belong to them, and I don't see us attempting to take your seniority. I would not only be surprised, but very upset if anyone tried to do that. We have no say in what aircraft the company buys or how they buy them, but we do have a say in any seniority integration.

I am not privy to all of the details of the Comair contract but I think it is incrementally better than ours (I think y'all have some kind of B-fund, don't you?)

I won't debate the "better vs worse" angle, but I would be concerned about the mechanics of attempting to merge the contracts. This is not a time when I would want my MEC to "open" any part of our contract. JMO.

Yes, we do have a quasi-B plan. Company funded defined contribution plan, plus the usual 401K.

Thanks for the reply. I'd like to hear from more of your pilots on this subject.

 

[General Lee]

46driver,

I disagree and think our furloughs might want to fly them, even for reduced rates. It beats the unemployment line.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[46Driver]

General,
The opinion that 70 seaters (much less a 32 seater) can't be flown economically by mainline comes from one of my Marine Corps buds who now works management for Delta. He crunches the numbers and helps decide who (and what equipment) flies a particular route. Actually, he hates the Dornier regardless of who flies it......

 

[Anaconda]

Positive points:

It's a blast to fly(Hotrod from hell)

It's more comfortable for the pax.

Better avionics

i guess that all depends on who you ask. i jumpseat it a lot and i beg to differ on a few points.

ok, it climbs well, but we all know it's slow in cruise so i would hardly call it a hotrod

more comfortable? maybe on aircraft left. other than that i don't think so. esp. in the last row with the flight att. working the galley right next to you.

better avionics? maybe compared to the aircraft that you flew previously. i've watched it enough from the jumpseat to see that the avionics have nothing on the ones in the crj. and that ugly blue and black cockpit has got to go. plus all that velcro everywhere.

i hope we never get them at comair...

 

[46Driver]

By hot rod, I assume he meant acceleration. I watch CRJ's fall completely off the TCAS on climb-outs (of course, I watch them reel us in on straight and level flight...) According to the Delta aircraft page, our seats are bigger. I jumpseat a lot on the CRJ's (thanks for the lift to the guys at ASA!) and noticed the following: The Dornier's engines are FADEC controlled - just set the throttle and leave it alone unlike the constant adjusting on the CRJ (I think the CRJ-700 has a FADEC, doesn't it?) Finally, the Primus 2000 avionics package is full VNAV capable, I don't believe the CRJ is.

 

[bladeusa]

Bladeusa,

I'm curious, whom do you think it would be a "big step backwards in equipt and pay" for? Do you mean the CMR pilots that fly them in the future or the ACA pilots that fly them now? Please explain your reasons.
____________________________________________
TO THE ACA DOJET PILOTS

1)If this rumor should happen (and this is the 1st I've heard of it), would you want to stay at ACA or would you want to come to CMR with the aircraft?

2. If you come to CMR with your aircraft, a) how would you expect to be integrated seniority wise? b) would you want to work under your current contract or under the CMR contract (with your current pay)?

my personal opion is it would be a step backwards in equipt and pay for cmr pilots "IF" we were to fly those ac in the future. and the rumor i heard wasnt a merger of companies/pilots.. it was just delta having to buy the airframes as a result of terminating the ac jet agreement.. the current dojet pilots would fly for the new LCC.. what dal then decides to do with the AC is anyones guess.. rumor i heard was our mec was talking with the company about those ac remaining on their current routes out of cvg and be opperated by cmr pilots. but hey like anything else around here.. ill belive it only after it happens.. ie Dallas is a done deal. HA.. can u believe we had pilots sell their houses here and buy in dfw..

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Mother D is dead set on mixing up the hubs. For that reason alone, I would bet we would not fly them out of CVG.
It is more likely ASA would fly them, or worst Cha**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ka, or how ever you spell it.