ABX pilots 1224 no show

[flyinboxes]

again at the rally today in ILN. What are you guys doing over there, working on a powerpoint for DPWN? Beyond words, pitiful.

 

[Jetglow]

I think 2 or 3 did show up but they were not in uniform. The rest were not told about it.

 

[flyinboxes]

I think 2 or 3 did show up but they were not in uniform. The rest were not told about it.

I didn't know that. Wonder why they weren't told? Thanks to those that did show.

 

[Jetglow]

I assume (you know what happens when you do that) that the 1224 leadership thought it was not important enough....or that was not in their best interests.... I can respect that I guess...but it really looked bad on them to everyone there. We actually met in the 1224 parking lot for the march.

 

[FastHap]

We actually met in the 1224 parking lot for the march.

Trespassers!! (Just kidding)

I think one of the reasons the word was not disseminated more widely (ie: via hotline or flash mail), is that the E-board was very busy dealing with the 799AX incident.

 

[ABX9av8or]

We did have some reps there but they were not in uniform. The last several weeks we have put a full court press on in Washington. We have deployed our entire Legislative Affairs folks, including 2 lobbists, to keep turning the screws to the UPS/DHL deal.

 

[FreightBumper]

again at the rally today in ILN. What are you guys doing over there, working on a powerpoint for DPWN? Beyond words, pitiful.

For years now you Astar folks have been telling us how the ABX ground workers are the reason for your delays. "They loaded us late on purpose. They pushed us late. They didn't serve napkins with our meals." wah, wah, wah. Now you want everyone to believe you only have their best interests at heart about the job losses. What a bunch of hypocrites. You got caught with your pants down like everyone else and you need to bash ABX pilots to feel better. Don't worry about we are doing. Go ask dasburg and the general what they are up to in regards to your future. Best of luck to you all (seriously). We are all going to need it.

 

[hvydriver]

For years now you Astar folks have been telling us how the ABX ground workers are the reason for your delays. "They loaded us late on purpose. They pushed us late. They didn't serve napkins with our meals." wah, wah, wah. Now you want everyone to believe you only have their best interests at heart about the job losses. What a bunch of hypocrites. You got caught with your pants down like everyone else and you need to bash ABX pilots to feel better. Don't worry about we are doing. Go ask dasburg and the general what they are up to in regards to your future. Best of luck to you all (seriously). We are all going to need it.

Of course not FB. We're participating because we all need to since DPWN has dropped the nuke. If you guys have other things to do, ok then. I never thought I'd see the day where ALPA acted more like Teamsters than Teamsters do. How many times have you guys picketed since this all started? I think it's zero. We're lobbying and visiting DC as well, but we've always got time for some good old fashioned picketing.

 

[FreightBumper]

Of course not FB. We're participating because we all need to since DPWN has dropped the nuke. If you guys have other things to do, ok then. I never thought I'd see the day where ALPA acted more like Teamsters than Teamsters do. How many times have you guys picketed since this all started? I think it's zero. We're lobbying and visiting DC as well, but we've always got time for some good old fashioned picketing.

Maybe that's because you have extra pilots hanging around from their sick calls recently. The ABX guys were probably out flying recovery trips. And before you get all riled up about that, you need to tell us when you are calling to make a point to management. That way we can differentiate between that and the usual recovery we do for Astar

 

[hvydriver]

Maybe that's because you have extra pilots hanging around from their sick calls recently. The ABX guys were probably out flying recovery trips. And before you get all riled up about that, you need to tell us when you are calling to make a point to management. That way we can differentiate between that and the usual recovery we do for Astar

If you guys want to do extra flying, that's your call. If you want to sound like a kid, that's your call too. Been plenty of mud thrown by both sides. Don't you think it's about time to knock that off?

 

[FreightBumper]

If you guys want to do extra flying, that's your call. If you want to sound like a kid, that's your call too. Been plenty of mud thrown by both sides. Don't you think it's about time to knock that off?

Absolutely. I was just responding to your own "flying boxes and rotor and wing". What's that they say about glass houses and stones? All the bickering aside, we are taking care of the things we deem most critical as are you. I live local and hurt more than you can know for all my neighbors and friends that work the sort, maintenance and the office. Certain Astar pilots have maintained that you should have moved back to CVG and your problems would be solved. There was no concern for the thousands of job losses that would have meant. Why now? Because now it includes you. Believe me when I say I don't want this to happen to anyone(even Astar).

 

[hvydriver]

I'm local too FB. Moved here over two years ago. My personal take was there would be a merger of the two companies. What DPWN/DHL is doing is suicide. Unless there is going to be a "globalization" of the DHL/UPS relationship. It's the only rational explaination of what they are doing. (I know, I know, flame me for using "rational" in the same sentence with DPWN/DHL) Are they going to succeed? Probably so. What I do know is this is the last chance to stick it to the man. We've been doing it for the past 4 years now. It would be nice to have some company for a change.

 

[shooter]

All mud slinging aside, and I seriously mean that; every time any union were at heads with corporate management they have always ALWAYS ended up with some sort of public outlet to gain the support of the public. Well, now it's the publics turn looking for support against corporate management's decision. The right thing to do would be to support the public that they turned to for support in the past. While all of the efforts may not result in a change in the situation, I still think you have to try and help where and when able. This last rally had low count of 100 high count 250 people in attendance. I think it should have been better organized, it still had a very low turn out for the thousands of sort workers. That does not mean they do not care because they were not there. There are close to 10,000 signatures for a reason. Maybe the next one will be better organized. While I hate to use a quote that is posted on a site where 90% of it's members have always called for the destruction of DHL and Airborne before that. It is still a good quote and a few others to think about doing the right thing in this situation.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
That is a bastardized version. The actual quote is from Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discontents: ‘When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.’

When good men do nothing, they get nothing good done. To be good, one must do good. The Lord commands his people to do good (Luke 6:35; Eph. 2:10).

Christ "gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works" (Titus 2:14).

"To do Good is like ascending a mountain. To do Evil is as easy as following an avalanche." - Chinese Proverb

“Hope begins in the dark, the stubborn hope that if you just show up and try to do the right thing, the dawn will come. You wait and watch and work: you don't give up.” - Anne Lamont


“That old law about 'an eye for an eye' leaves everybody blind. The time is always right to do the right thing.” - Martin Luther King Jr.


“Do the right thing. It will gratify some people and astonish the rest.” - Mark Twain


I still say FIGHT! :angryfire

 

[hvydriver]

I still say FIGHT! :angryfire

Indeed. Better to go down with your boots on.

 

[hvydriver]

Maybe that's because you have extra pilots hanging around from their sick calls recently. The ABX guys were probably out flying recovery trips. And before you get all riled up about that, you need to tell us when you are calling to make a point to management. That way we can differentiate between that and the usual recovery we do for Astar

Not flaming here FB, but the 1224 Sec/Treas was advised of our plans in advance. We'd hoped there would be some action on their part. Obviously, the Exec. Board isn't interested. Been that way forever. We call, nothing happens. Of course, now you're going to say that's not true, and I'm not going to bother refuting you.

 

[FreightBumper]

Not flaming here FB, but the 1224 Sec/Treas was advised of our plans in advance. We'd hoped there would be some action on their part. Obviously, the Exec. Board isn't interested. Been that way forever. We call, nothing happens. Of course, now you're going to say that's not true, and I'm not going to bother refuting you.

Well then the 1224 sec/treasurer kept that to himself. See, I didn't say that's not true.

 

[hvydriver]

Well then the 1224 sec/treasurer kept that to himself. See, I didn't say that's not true.

Well, then I stand corrected.

 

[FreightBumper]

Well, then I stand corrected.

Finally, we play nice.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

Well then the 1224 sec/treasurer kept that to himself. See, I didn't say that's not true.

I'd say the 1224 sec/treasurer is not doing his job at a time when communications like that are important.

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[hvydriver]

Parked a bunch this am. How many do we have to park before you guys run out of crews for crying out loud?

 

[nitefr8dog]

Parked a bunch this am. How many do we have to park before you guys run out of crews for crying out loud?

Run OUT or pay JRM? Big differance, if ABX did not pay JRM we would be out long before you. Astar crews alot more pilots per a/c than ABX!

 

[hvydriver]

Run OUT or pay JRM? Big differance, if ABX did not pay JRM we would be out long before you. Astar crews alot more pilots per a/c than ABX!

Methinks you miss the point I was trying to make.

 

[b707guy]

Parked a bunch this am.

What's that mean for your crews, hvy? What all got parked?

 

[b707guy]

What's that mean for your crews, hvy? What all got parked?

Thanks for the PM!

 

[TheDogsBollocks]

It's a shame to see Astar and ABX going at each other but I can't help feel this is a contributory factor to the demise of DHL in the USA. As some one who flew feeders prior to the merger, the difference is night and day. DHL was a wonderful operation to fly for in the feeder capacity, UPS not as good and ABX were the worst.

Post merger despite DHL buying out ABX it was the ABX corporate culture that prevailed and not the better one. Instead of everybody being DHL employees under one standard, corporate values and mission, what I observed was Astar and ABX guarding their personal fiefdoms and a bunch of independent contractors in the field who don't give a s**t-I'm not surprised it went downhill and that's a shame.

I'm very skeptical that this new plan is going to result in the long term health of DHL. Customers in the smaller markets will move their work to UPS and Fedex which will result in DHL having a small presence in the US. It's a shame because there will be the inevitable job losses in an industry that is not doing to well, there is more than enough business to support three viable package delivery companies-it looks like we'll end up with two.

 

[FreightBumper]

It's a shame to see Astar and ABX going at each other but I can't help feel this is a contributory factor to the demise of DHL in the USA. As some one who flew feeders prior to the merger, the difference is night and day. DHL was a wonderful operation to fly for in the feeder capacity, UPS not as good and ABX were the worst.

Post merger despite DHL buying out ABX it was the ABX corporate culture that prevailed and not the better one. Instead of everybody being DHL employees under one standard, corporate values and mission, what I observed was Astar and ABX guarding their personal fiefdoms and a bunch of independent contractors in the field who don't give a s**t-I'm not surprised it went downhill and that's a shame.

I'm very skeptical that this new plan is going to result in the long term health of DHL. Customers in the smaller markets will move their work to UPS and Fedex which will result in DHL having a small presence in the US. It's a shame because there will be the inevitable job losses in an industry that is not doing to well, there is more than enough business to support three viable package delivery companies-it looks like we'll end up with two.

The ABX corporate culture had an 18% market share. DHL had less than 5. The new DHL has less than 5%. Who was better? You do the math. The German arrogance trumps ABX arrogance. Not by much, but DHL made the big decisions that led to their downfall and will end with their disappearing from the US market.