ABX, DHL and Astar family tree

[FastHap]

dont worry just little longer and all the pain will go away

Be very careful what you wish for you and your Cappy brothers!

 

[727Niteflyer]

I was referring more to all the bickering on this thread. Cappy is holding its own, actually growing and hiring. Aviation has its ups and downs. Im just riding this one as looong as it last.

 

[FastHap]

I was referring more to all the bickering on this thread. Cappy is holding its own, actually growing and hiring. Aviation has its ups and downs. Im just riding this one as looong as it last.

Fair enough. Peace be with you my ATSG sibling.

 

[aviatrix767]

And to think all this crap started after I posted a link to a YouTube video poking fun at CEO's and their lack of management skills. (Which by the way has been moved to the "videos" section towards the bottom of the main page and is titled "Sponsors." Go check it out.... it's friggin' hilarious) I hardly think that my post warranted a full-scale attack.

 

[727Niteflyer]

Fair enough. Peace be with you my ATSG sibling.

Peace

 

[nitefr8dog]

I was referring more to all the bickering on this thread. Cappy is holding its own, actually growing and hiring. Aviation has its ups and downs. Im just riding this one as looong as it last.

The bad news is J.H. is now your commander in chief also!

 

[erichartmann]

dont worry just little longer and all the pain will go away

Nah! The bitterness and angst will remain. Anytime anyone brings up the subject we'll hear the refrain.

 

[727Niteflyer]

The bad news is J.H. is now your commander in chief also!

I have no control over it. so I dont lose to much sleep over it. we are going strong for now. what happens happens.

 

[nitefr8dog]

I have no control over it. so I dont lose to much sleep over it. we are going strong for now. what happens happens.

And the bad news is J.H. is your commander and chief you see what a brite future ABX has. Get your house in order!

 

[727Niteflyer]

And the bad news is J.H. is your commander and chief you see what a brite future ABX has. Get your house in order!

I dont think JH had anything to do with DHL pulling out of the u.s., did he ?

 

[mxer]

I dont think JH had anything to do with DHL pulling out of the u.s., did he ?

His attitude with DHL and his arrogance didn't help. His lack of vision to be able to run this company before DHL also didn't help. ABX has nothing but managers. They manage what comes through the door. (and not very well) To lead a company, you need vision and the ability to lead in order to get to where you see the company. If that existed, Airborne and then ABX would have never been an option to work with DHL. We should have never been in a position to need another company to tell us every move to make.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

His attitude with DHL and his arrogance didn't help. His lack of vision to be able to run this company before DHL also didn't help. ABX has nothing but managers. They manage what comes through the door. (and not very well) To lead a company, you need vision and the ability to lead in order to get to where you see the company. If that existed, Airborne and then ABX would have never been an option to work with DHL. We should have never been in a position to need another company to tell us every move to make.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but isn't that what he'd been trying to do for the last 3 or 4 years - trying to get ABX out from under DHL's influence?

What do you think he should have done, under the circumstances?

 

[mxer]

Thats why I say "before" DHL. I understand that his hands have been more or less tied. Then again, if your the top dog and DHL is telling you what to do, what are you doing to earn your money and your golden parachute. I have no idea what I would have done. I know that I don't have the ability to do that job. Thats why I'm just a pilot. If we had someone the caliber of Gates or Trump or even Fred Smith, do you think we would have been in this mess. My bet is no. I know, those guys are the exception. Its just an example. ABX sold out its product to DHL and hoped for the best. If we had a leader, that would not have been necessary. This is just my opinion. Also, in four years that DHL has been here, we couldn't even break the 10% barrier and grow to a self sustaining number. Hete and Graber have sucked running this company.

 

[Box-Hauler]

I agree to a point with the 10% charter. We did not grow it. We should have been at 9.9992% every quarter, that way DHL is still on the hook for all the expenses. The only time it would have made sense to grow beyond the 10% is if you could have gotten massive growth, double digit growth in the charter arena, and we all know that our head of charters is not capable of doing that. That would have required getting up out of your chair, leaving your office and go sell our product............. With an obstacle like that looming I can see why we did not grow. (sarcasm intended).

 

[727Niteflyer]

so did jh single handedly sell abx or is it something that had to be approved by the board of directors ?