ABX, DHL and Astar family tree

[aviatrix767]

Oooops, I forgot something else....

NO FRIGGIN' APOLOGY!!!

No need for one... You got caught with your pants down - I called you on it. And now all of you are embarrassed to the point of being fixated on getting an "apology" from me, when, in fact, you guys should be the ones apologizing to the folks at ABX Air. <shakinghead> You people are truly pathetic....

 

[hvydriver]

Oooops, I forgot something else....

NO FRIGGIN' APOLOGY!!!

No need for one... You got caught with your pants down - I called you on it. And now all of you are embarrassed to the point of being fixated on getting an "apology" from me, when, in fact, you guys should be the ones apologizing to the folks at ABX Air. <shakinghead> You people are truly pathetic....

LOL. No, not hardly. I wasn't going to put this out, but I was told it is ok. Sorry the little ALPA globe didn't come out. I had to convert it from .pdf to a word doc. It's going to be sloppy. Ross has got the original I'm sure, though.


PRESIDENT'S DEPARTMENT
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL



1625 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE, NW ❑ WASHINGTON, DC 20036

April 25, 2008


Captain David Ross, President
Airline Professional Association
Teamsters Local 1224
2754 Old State Route 73
Wilmington, OH 45177

Dear Dave:

❑ 1-888-FLY-ALPA (1-888-359-2572)
FAX 202-797-4007




I received your email dated April 22, 2008 regarding Astar and Boeing 767.
It is my understanding that the management at Astar has asked for certain relief on pay rates in order to bid on 767 international flying. It is also my understanding that not only has no such agreement been made, but also that neither Captain Walsh nor his fellow MEC members have recommended this or even put the matter to a vote.
Obviously, I will review any bargaining agreement to assure it is consistent with ALPA policy and
advances the goals and careers for our members and our profession before I execute. Under the
ALPA Constitution and Bylaws we preserve the right of our Master Executive Councils to determine
bargaining objectives for their individual circumstances, but through our National Bargaining
Committee work across all 41 ALPA airlines to improve pilot contracts in a cooperative and unified
mutual support.

On the other hand, before asking me to intervene on this issue, it may be more helpful to check with Captain Walsh, the Astar ALPA MEC Chairman as to the status of this matter.

As you are fully aware, many airlines in all segments of our industry are in a transition stage with
pilots always in the crosshairs. Only with unprecedented levels of Union solidarity among pilots
will we be able to stand up to managers and owners intent on destroying the benefits and jobs of our
professional members. They would prefer that pilots fight with each other for leftover scraps while
they manipulate corporations to their own benefit. If we succumb to their tactics, all of our members
will lose. As Union leaders we must not permit them to breach our collective solidarity for short
term parochial gains.
I remain in close contact with Captain Walsh and will look forward to his briefing on this matter.
In solidarity,


John H. Prater, President

cc: P. Walsh, ASTAR MEC CHR
R.. Helling, ALPA Executive Administrator



SCHEDULE WITH SAFETY ® •• AFFILIATED WITH AFL-CIO

 

[§kyye Candy]

So, in summary... to answer your original question QOL, the DHL family tree is inbred and in need of pruning... pruning out the stalkers, that is!

Best of luck to all of the DHL contract survivors - we are going to need it.

 

[aviatrix767]

LOL... Skyye!!! ^^^5s!!!

 

[aviatrix767]

LOL. No, not hardly. I wasn't going to put this out, but I was told it is ok. Sorry the little ALPA globe didn't come out. I had to convert it from .pdf to a word doc. It's going to be sloppy. Ross has got the original I'm sure, though.


PRESIDENT'S DEPARTMENT
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL



1625 MASSACHUSETTS AVENUE, NW ❑ WASHINGTON, DC 20036

April 25, 2008


Captain David Ross, President
Airline Professional Association
Teamsters Local 1224
2754 Old State Route 73
Wilmington, OH 45177

Dear Dave:

❑ 1-888-FLY-ALPA (1-888-359-2572)
FAX 202-797-4007




I received your email dated April 22, 2008 regarding Astar and Boeing 767.
It is my understanding that the management at Astar has asked for certain relief on pay rates in order to bid on 767 international flying. It is also my understanding that not only has no such agreement been made, but also that neither Captain Walsh nor his fellow MEC members have recommended this or even put the matter to a vote.
Obviously, I will review any bargaining agreement to assure it is consistent with ALPA policy and
advances the goals and careers for our members and our profession before I execute. Under the
ALPA Constitution and Bylaws we preserve the right of our Master Executive Councils to determine
bargaining objectives for their individual circumstances, but through our National Bargaining
Committee work across all 41 ALPA airlines to improve pilot contracts in a cooperative and unified
mutual support.

On the other hand, before asking me to intervene on this issue, it may be more helpful to check with Captain Walsh, the Astar ALPA MEC Chairman as to the status of this matter.

As you are fully aware, many airlines in all segments of our industry are in a transition stage with
pilots always in the crosshairs. Only with unprecedented levels of Union solidarity among pilots
will we be able to stand up to managers and owners intent on destroying the benefits and jobs of our
professional members. They would prefer that pilots fight with each other for leftover scraps while
they manipulate corporations to their own benefit. If we succumb to their tactics, all of our members
will lose. As Union leaders we must not permit them to breach our collective solidarity for short
term parochial gains.
I remain in close contact with Captain Walsh and will look forward to his briefing on this matter.
In solidarity,


John H. Prater, President

cc: P. Walsh, ASTAR MEC CHR
R.. Helling, ALPA Executive Administrator



SCHEDULE WITH SAFETY ® •• AFFILIATED WITH AFL-CIO

Yes, now tell everyone WHEN this was put out.... Yeah, I know the date is on the letter, but this was issued AFTER I received certain information and "outed" the plan. This is nothing more than a "save face" letter. Nice try, though.

 

[§kyye Candy]

By the way, DC8CRIVER - you are in the wrong place if you are looking for a PROFESSIONAL environment to post! Take a look around. Besides, another critical aspect of integrity is knowing when to fold.

 

[aviatrix767]

By the way, DC8CRIVER - you are in the wrong place if you are looking for a PROFESSIONAL environment to post! Take a look around. Besides, another critical aspect of integrity is knowing when to fold.

Skyye, you're going to have to define the word "integrity" for these bozos. <shakinghead> (That's what happens when ol' gene pool becomes clouded... LOL)

 

[hvydriver]

Yes, now tell everyone WHEN this was put out.... Yeah, I know the date is on the letter, but this was issued AFTER I received certain information and "outed" the plan. This is nothing more than a "save face" letter. Nice try, though.

I see you can't comprehend. Let me help you. You posted based on a rumor. Just like playing telephone. The Pres. of the 1224 then instead of contacting 017's Chair, complained to the President of ALPA National. He responded back that the company had approached us about reduced rates, and we nixed it. He also suggested that perhaps next time he consider contacting 017 directly about things. This was sent 3 days after your little diatribe. Your take on things is utterly amazing. What's even more fascinating is that you are a lone gun on this.

 

[aviatrix767]

I see you can't comprehend. Let me help you. You posted based on a rumor. Just like playing telephone. The Pres. of the 1224 then instead of contacting 017's Chair, complained to the President of ALPA National. He responded back that the company had approached us about reduced rates, and we nixed it. He also suggested that perhaps next time he consider contacting 017 directly about things. This was sent 3 days after your little diatribe. Your take on things is utterly amazing. What's even more fascinating is that you are a lone gun on this.

Spin your crap any way you want... The fact remains that I am NOT going to apologize, because I did nothing wrong. Get over it. Go find something else to gripe about.

Don't get too excited.. I'm not leaving this board. But I will not acknowledge anymore of your posts. I will be ignoring you. And if you don't like what I have to say, I'd suggest you do the same. It's that simple. Or at least in theory it should be. Maybe I need to draw you a picture to help you understand that, too?????

 

[hvydriver]

Spin your crap any way you want... The fact remains that I am NOT going to apologize, because I did nothing wrong. Get over it. Go find something else to gripe about.

Don't get too excited.. I'm not leaving this board. But I will not acknowledge anymore of your posts. I will be ignoring you. And if you don't like what I have to say, I'd suggest you do the same. It's that simple. Or at least in theory it should be. Maybe I need to draw you a picture to help you understand that, too?????

Hey, I'm not leaving it either. Awesome, isn't it?