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[SKC]

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I wanted to comment on a couple of things.

Dispatching a heavy is not nearly as difficult as dispatching part 121.

First of all, dispatching is NOT a difficult job. There are many things to keep an eye on, but brain surgery it isn't.

An airplane is an airplane is an airplane. Some just have larger numbers involved. Whether it carries 100 or 500 people, it's essentially the same process.

Do you deal with passengers?

A dispatcher doesn't deal with passengers. A dispatcher plans for a specific payload (i.e. amount of boxes/number of people). Boxes, people, it's doesn't matter because your job is handled the same.

Do you deal with ground delay programs?

I'm guessing that would depend upon if you were operating into an airport that had a GDP issued for it.

Do you deal with customer service agents?

Customer service agents, charter customers, tour ops, they all look for the same info. If you give them quality information (i.e. give them updates when you say you will regardless whether good or bad), they won't seem near as bothersome.

Now you two need to put your ****s back in your pants, your rulers back in the desk and get to work.

 

[ss9e]

First of all, dispatching is NOT a difficult job. There are many things to keep an eye on, but brain surgery it isn't.

i beg to differ. i'll give you two different aspects which make dispatching difficult. first, at the regionals the workload is so high that you can barely keep up. it isn't uncommon for regional dispatchers to do up to, if not more than, 100 releases in a 10 hour shift. if all you had to do was releases, this probably wouldn't be a big deal. but when you have 40+ planes in the air that you are responsible for flight following, plus the releases, it gets to be a bit much. i didn't even take into account bad weather, gdps, or other unforeseen issues.

second, at the big carriers with international flights, your flight plans are so complicated and detail oriented that they can take an hour or more to prepare. every region of the world has it's own sets of rules. you have to look at weather and notams not only for departure and arrival, rerelease airports weather and notams, enroute weather, you have to look at all the FIR boundary notams, the crossing track structures, foreign atc agencies, etc. contrary to popular belief among pilots. dispatchers do work hard and you do NEED dispatchers.

 

[Duster41]

Shooter:
The remark I made about years in dispatching was in regards to abdx remark of "dispatching for 10 years and been around". I'm new at this flightinfo site and haven't learned to use the quote box. And for my grammer, I should of post read my comments, but this brainless job of dispatching got me bored with the gdp's in the northeast and reroute arounnd the tropical depression from ATC. I guess I wasn't brain dead enough to do this job.
You're right about having concerns with a runway when landing and weights. Grant it, with heavy's, you don't have as much options concerning using multiple runways. The problem we have is our money is derived from pax loads. And CRJ don't have much leeway when fuel and weights are concerned. At least when dispatching to an airport ,and the winds are a concern, we have at least the opportunity to launch and take a look to see if the runway is legal to land on. If not then hold or divert.

I thought ss9e brought up some interesting comments about this job. Not to mention to hear a Pilot complain about taking an aircraft with a pac deferred, or to deal with a gate agent when you bump pax to add an alternate because Wilmington likes to "now forecast".Another easy part of my job is when a TSRA develops around PIT and LGA, JFK, and BOS basically stops departures because there are "no routes", but you look and going down through DC center is wide open. You reroute through DC center to LDN J134 HNN and arrival to CVG. You think they are good to go. But they sit at the end of the runway for clearance and none comes because Wash Center won't take them because of traffic. You look and see DL, UAL, AA all departing and you have missconnects sitting at the end of the runway just waiting for the phone call "Pilot Time Out". Yeah, Anyone can do this brainless job. Then there is..... I think I ranted long enough.

I guess SKC are one of those dispatchers that dispatch for years and really don't understand what dispatching is all about.

And Shooter please feel free to critique my comments....

 

[abxdx]

I really don't care if people think dispatching is hard or not. My only concern is that Kittyhawk gets on this website and bashes a place he only worked for for 3 months then left with no two week notice(screwing the rest of us). He also found it appropriate to post his resume for other airlines while he was in training here. Oh by the way the only heavy jets you have dispatched are the ones that you dispatched here.

I have no problem with anyone else in the forum, just this guy! I am sure we all work very hard for our paycheck. Some days harder than others.

My only concern is expose Kittyhawk as a fake and a liar. And to let everybody know that ABX is not that bad............................


If there was ever a so called "clown" here it was him!!!

 

[abxdx]

Kittyhawk why don't you fess up to who you really are? How is FWA today?

 

[abxdx]

Another thing Kittyhawk, ABX is part 121 you gimp!!!

Your quote about heavy jets being easy compared to 121 makes no sense at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[SKC]

ss9e and Duster..

I'm not advocating getting rid of dispatchers. I'm not slamming the very thing I do. I certainly don't think that I'm the best one out there.

What I was saying is that although it is a task oriented job that many times requires dozens of steps, it's not a difficult thing to do. Let's not confuse high workload with difficulty, but I guess that's just symantics.

I guess SKC are one of those dispatchers that dispatch for years and really don't understand what dispatching is all about.

Or, just maybe, I approach the job with the attitude that I'm just one cog in the wheel of this airline, and that I alone can't make it work. I have to work WITH the arrogant Capt, the frustrated gate agent, the overloaded ATC specialist, the pissed off mgmt person, so I come to work and leave that chip on my shoulder at home. Over the years I've discovered that it's the only way to efficiently do this job.

ss9e, if it's taking more than an hour to complete one scheduled international flight release, something is wrong (unless you're dealing with a primitive flight planning system). If it's a non-sched adhoc flight that's a different deal if you're having to obtain overflight permits at the time of departure. That can actually take some time. The actual planning process is still fairly straight forward.

 

[Duster41]

SKC:
Who says a dispatcher that cares about dispatching needs a chip on his shoulder? I come to work and enjoy what I do. Your right You alone can't make it work, But you could make a difference. I look back at the AA accident in LIT when the dispatcher at anytime could of diverted that flight away from TSRA, but chose not to do anything. Don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming the dispatcher or saying he is a bad dispatcher. What I am saying is we have choices everyday about our flights and how we handle those choices makes a dispatcher. Sometimes you need a little chip on your shoulder to get the job done, sometimes you need to be more diplomatic, but to say that this job is easy and all you need to do is push a few buttons on a keyboard and that's it, is basically ludicrous (like that spelling shooter). Sure I can dispatch in my sleep when the forecast is VRB003KT P6SM SKC. This job isn't physical to say the lease, but mentally it could get to you. Like I said before, it doesn't matter how long you have been dispatching but how you dispatch. For someone to come on this board and basically say anyone, other then being braindead, can easily do this job.

 

[SKC]

I agree with most of what you said, but please show me where I said the "brain dead" could do this job. You won't find it, because it was never said. That's a word that you came up with. Nor did I say it could be done easily. Once again, that's something you created. I said it wasn't brain surgery. There's a massive gap between brain surgery and being brain dead.

 

[Duster41]

I guess it's just symantics