AAI Reports Loss

[LeeRoyJenkins]

http://www.gurufocus.com/news/130332/airtran-holdings-inc-reports-operating-results-10q

 

[GoodTimes]

10 pages....at least

 

[Grandpa +65]

Southwest has 'orderly' plan to drop AirTran's DFW service

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2011/04/southwest-airlines-airtran-love-field-dfw/168174/1

 

[400ADude]

:beer:

 

[Fubijaakr]

Its making more and more sense. Orderly deletion of Air Tran service means orderly deletion of Air Tran airplanes (717s). If the airplanes go, what happens to the pilots...furloughs.

Anyone furloughed prior to the SLI will end up getting stapled to the bottom of the list.

Ask TWA pilots how that has worked out.

 

[Lear70]

Its making more and more sense. Orderly deletion of Air Tran service means orderly deletion of Air Tran airplanes (717s). If the airplanes go, what happens to the pilots...furloughs.

Anyone furloughed prior to the SLI will end up getting stapled to the bottom of the list.

Ask TWA pilots how that has worked out.

It scares me that some of you fly airplanes...

It says an orderly end to DFW. You know... That whole pesky Wright amendment restriction? Southwest can't continue to run DFW ops. That's all that sentence means.

Of course you'd KNOW that if you bothered to read it before posting, rather than finding amusement in continuing to stir the pot.

Looking forward to this being done. Until then, drivel like this is going to make for a long summer,,,

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

WN reported a net gain of only 5M, FL had a net loss of about 9M. WN is 4 times bigger, yet the gain was less than 3 times the difference. I wouldn't be getting to excited.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

WN reported a net gain of only 5M, FL had a net loss of about 9M. WN is 4 times bigger, yet the gain was less than 3 times the difference. I wouldn't be getting to excited.

WN's gain would have been higher had to not been for costs related to acquiring AirTran.

AirTran's loss might not have been as bad had labor costs not been higher due to the new pilot labor agreement.

Not getting excited just pointing out the obvious.

 

[SWA/CA]

It says an orderly end to DFW. You know... That whole pesky Wright amendment restriction? Southwest can't continue to run DFW ops. That's all that sentence means.

True dat

 

[ASADFW7]

All this math, isn't there a FMC for that?

 

[roughneck]

This is from the SWA earnings release.

Excluding special items in both periods, operating income was $110 million for first quarter 2011, compared to $102 million for first quarter 2010.

This is from today's AirTran release.

we reported a first quarter 2011 operating loss of $36.7 million compared to operating income of $3.0 million for the three months ended March 31, 2010

If you want to really look at the strengths of each company, the strength of the network, the brand value, and the overall "worth" of a company you look at how they do operationally. These numbers are where the real story is.

AirTran is a good company and has had a decent run but the future was not bright. All ancillary revenue pipelines had played out and the competition had chocked off any future growth. There wasn't money in the bank for planes and oil isn't going down soon. SWA was and is the White Knight in the AirTran story.

Lets work this out and get on with SWA's domination of the World.

 

[SWA/CA]

AirTran is a good company and has had a decent run but the future was not bright. All ancillary revenue pipelines had played out and the competition had choked off any future growth. There wasn't money in the bank for planes and oil isn't going down soon. SWA was and is the White Knight in the AirTran story.

Lets work this out and get on with SWA's domination of the World.

True dat!

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

WN's gain would have been higher had to not been for costs related to acquiring AirTran.

AirTran's loss might not have been as bad had labor costs not been higher due to the new pilot labor agreement.

Not getting excited just pointing out the obvious.

Over 7M of AT's loss was due to the merger as well.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Over 7M of AT's loss was due to the merger as well.

Which still would have not made AAI profitable had they not had that 7 Million in Acquisition related costs.

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Which still would have not made AAI profitable had they not had that 7 Million in Acquisition related costs.

Didn't say it would, you chose to add the merger caveat as an excuse for lack of better profit for WN.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

Didn't say it would, you chose to add the merger caveat as an excuse for lack of better profit for WN.

You mean the acquisition?

 

[Lear70]

You mean the acquisition?

Touche...

 

[GuppyWN]

What's an $8.8 million loss between friends?


Gup

 

[Ty Webb]

You guys crack me up. AirTran's route structure is primarily north-south. We are typically profitable Q2 and Q4 and have minor losses in Q1 &Q3.

You guys who are surprised by this are just revealing your own lack of knowledge of who you're merging with.

What's even stupider is that you expect this to mean something in sli negotation or arbitration.

 

[GuppyWN]

At least one of us is laughing!

Gup

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

What's even stupider is that you expect this to mean something in sli negotation or arbitration.

Stupider?

 

[dedazo]

Its making more and more sense. Orderly deletion of Air Tran service means orderly deletion of Air Tran airplanes (717s). If the airplanes go, what happens to the pilots...furloughs.

Anyone furloughed prior to the SLI will end up getting stapled to the bottom of the list.

Ask TWA pilots how that has worked out.

You probably also believe that the whale (Moby Dick) in your profile picture exists as well..Huh? Quit dreaming ---- NO FURLOUGHS

 

[BlueBlood]

Ty,

So AAI's route map is the reason you lost money? Should poor network planning make any loss acceptable?

 

[SWA/CA]

You guys who are surprised by this are just revealing your own lack of knowledge of who you're merging with.

What's even stupider is that you expect this to mean something in sli negotation or arbitration

merging?

 

[Ty Webb]

merging?

Merging seniority lists . . .

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

So AAI's route map is the reason you lost money? Should poor network planning make any loss acceptable?

Welcome to our world. We fly the planes safely and efficiently, just like you . . . . we just have some dunderheads running things.

 

[boeingdriver213]

Every other airline out there is watching this very closely. We could be a MAJOR thorn in their side if this works out, or a total bust if we go "USAir" on the whole thing. Bottom line, it's our game to lose. I for one would like to see everyone else sweat for a change...

 

[On Your Six]

Every other airline out there is watching this very closely. We could be a MAJOR thorn in their side if this works out, or a total bust if we go "USAir" on the whole thing. Bottom line, it's our game to lose. I for one would like to see everyone else sweat for a change...

Instead, you all will sweat it out during the arbitration phase. Then, the panel will rule, and you will probably see a mixture of the Airtran guys in the bottom 2/3s of the list. There will be SWA pilots at the bottom of the list, too. Just accept it and move on.


OYS

 

[GuppyWN]

Instead, you all will sweat it out during the arbitration phase. Then, the panel will rule, and you will probably see a mixture of the Airtran guys in the bottom 2/3s of the list. There will be SWA pilots at the bottom of the list, too. Just accept it and move on.


OYS

Sometimes I wonder which side you're rooting for here!

Funny stuff.
Gup

 

[On Your Six]

Sometimes I wonder which side you're rooting for here!

Funny stuff.
Gup

I just want it fair, and after that I want to see what the reactions are. Talk about a soap opera.


OYS