AAI removes negotiating chairman

[Ty Webb]

Maybe, maybe not

Place your bets . . . . :laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

Ok, Ill read your opinion on that message board then.

Heh-heh . . . . I didn't say the secret message board, just the more appropriate one. :laugh:

 

[DonVerita]

Everyone needs to calm down. They sky isn't falling.

Our MEC has dramatically increased in size due to the opening of two additional domiciles - MCO and MKE. Now those two have LEC reps along with the LEC reps from ATL.

They all got together and decided a few changes were in order. This stuff happens from time to time. Some might say it is normal housecleaning. I recall that the SWAPA Vice President resigned not too long ago, for whatever reason; so you see...it happens there too.

The LEC reps wanted the MEC Vice Chairman out, so they removed him. A couple of weeks later, after ALL pilots from ALL domiciles were given the chance to be considered for the vacant position; the LEC reps made their choice from the candidates.

The LEC reps also wanted the NC Chairman removed from his position. So they did that too. The former NC Vice Chairman is now the new NC Chairman. No loss of continuity.

The sun still came up the next day and we're all still here and intact.

IMHO, this is the LEC's flexing their muscle and showing who is really in charge. Some may not support their decisions, but others will. It is a democracy and the majority rules.

 

[Lear70]

So now that we've all worked through the emotion of it all............

Why was the dude fired?

Varying answers, depending who you talk to. The MEC didn't put out an email explaining their reasons, so most of the line swine don't know and, given the apathy here, don't care to know.

One of the answers I got was that he wasn't doing any of the contract enforcement work which was his primary duty now that he wasn't negotiating it anymore. He and the now-Chairman of that committee are the most knowledgeable about the current contract and what was intended in each section, therefore they needed to be working the enforcement issues (and there are many) and a few are saying he wasn't.

And was he or was he not involved in WN negotiations?

Gup

Not yet. The Negotiating Committee won't be involved until AFTER arbitration, if it comes to that, to negotiate the implementation issues that transition our CBA into yours. Not that we will influence YOUR CBA in any way, but ours will have to slowly be changed to mirror yours during integration so that there's not a big pay disparity in our own ranks as our pilots go over, our schedules can be tweaked to mirror and work into yours for connecting passengers, lots and lots of things will need to change with our CBA and who better to negotiate that than the people who negotiated our CBA and know it best?

The Vice-Chair is now the chair, so there's still continuity of knowledge. Nothing to flip out about, but I imagine LH was put on notice to get current and simply run the union on a daily basis, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him resign after he gets current.

 

[FIREMAN]

So now that we've all worked through the emotion of it all............

Why was the dude fired?

And was he or was he not involved in WN negotiations?

Gup

It all stems from the “12 angry men” who are PO ed that they did not get their stared ALPA pin. The ATL LEC chairmen and secretary are the ring leaders. Well really the chairmen the secretary is just his lap dog. They were able to get their lackeys into the MCO and MKE LECs because anyone worth having does not want to be associated with the union because of all the childish crap going on. I hope that will change when SWAPA takes over and some descent people run for office.

 

[Fubijaakr]

IMHO, this is the LEC's flexing their muscle and showing who is really in charge. Some may not support their decisions, but others will. It is a democracy and the majority rules.

That's exactly what it is. Happens at every MEC. However, it isn't a democracy. Its a representative democracy. The difference is that x number of like thinking LEC reps rule. The majority has no say in the matter once the LEC officers are in office.

 

[Ty Webb]

It all stems from the “12 angry men” who are PO ed that they did not get their stared ALPA pin.

That's a rather bizarre interpretation. :laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

That's a rather bizarre interpretation. :laugh:

Seems to be dead on to me.

 

[GoodTimes]

This is better than Survivor

 

[Ty Webb]

Seriously, PCL, this ain't the place to debate ATN71 internal stuff.

 

[Lear70]

They were able to get their lackeys into the MCO and MKE LECs because anyone worth having does not want to be associated with the union because of all the childish crap going on.

Interesting interpretation. If memory serves, their "lackey" they wanted in MCO got soundly defeated by the CA and FO rep who are now serving as the MCO LEC.

As far as others who didn't get involved, for me it wasn't any "childish crap" going on, I just have better things to do with my time than to babysit a process that I'm going to have very little control over if I was the MCO FO rep (the MC stays autonomous and contract enforcement will continue whether I'm there working issues or not).

It's just not worth the irritation for an office that's going to last a year and a half or two more years, not to mention the angst involved if things don't go the way AAI pilots want for an SLI. Even though the reps won't have had anything to do with what got negotiated or arbitrated, they'll still bear the brunt of the hostility if it doesn't go well. Who needs that kind of irritation?

I think apathy is a better word for why our pilots with extensive previous union experience are steering clear of volunteering. There's not much real change that can be affected and it's just not worth the aggravation.

 

[PCL_128]

Interesting interpretation. If memory serves, their "lackey" they wanted in MCO got soundly defeated by the CA and FO rep who are now serving as the MCO LEC.

I think he's referring to the "12 Angry Men's" and AC's lackeys.

 

[Lear70]

I think he's referring to the "12 Angry Men's" and AC's lackeys.

Ah,,, you're right. My brain substituted MEC for LEC. Guess I need more coffee.

I don't know if I'd call ANYONE currently serving someone's "Lackey". I don't know the MKE reps, but of the MCO reps, I know that they're voting to keep the MC autonomous, and that's what I'm primarily concerned with.

Don't get me wrong, we all know that the pilots are very highly engaged in what's going on with SWA, but internal politics are polarizing to most people and unless it affects them personally, they just tune out.

 

[MILPILOT17]

Varying answers, depending who you talk to. The MEC didn't put out an email explaining their reasons, so most of the line swine don't know and, given the apathy here, don't care to know.

One of the answers I got was that he wasn't doing any of the contract enforcement work which was his primary duty now that he wasn't negotiating it anymore. He and the now-Chairman of that committee are the most knowledgeable about the current contract and what was intended in each section, therefore they needed to be working the enforcement issues (and there are many) and a few are saying he wasn't.



Not yet. The Negotiating Committee won't be involved until AFTER arbitration, if it comes to that, to negotiate the implementation issues that transition our CBA into yours. Not that we will influence YOUR CBA in any way, but ours will have to slowly be changed to mirror yours during integration so that there's not a big pay disparity in our own ranks as our pilots go over, our schedules can be tweaked to mirror and work into yours for connecting passengers, lots and lots of things will need to change with our CBA and who better to negotiate that than the people who negotiated our CBA and know it best?

The Vice-Chair is now the chair, so there's still continuity of knowledge. Nothing to flip out about, but I imagine LH was put on notice to get current and simply run the union on a daily basis, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him resign after he gets current.

Light bulb flickering?

 

[redflyer65]

With TO being removed it's 'business as usual'. Now less than a month this happens? I'm not sure too many are 'tuning' this out because it could affect them..