AAI removes negotiating chairman

[malibuVride]

Trust me, there's more to this than meets the eye!

TO has to go back to training, and he will be screwed on his pay. The new Vice Chair and Sec/Tres with only get 70. Pathetic! Now LH is going back to flying some as well. Looks like cutting corners to save money.

ATN ALPA has been a financial burden on National, and that won't continue. This group has very limited resources and now we have committees shutting down, pay for full-time guys going down, etc. Maybe the last Sec/Tres was right and an assessment is neccessary evil. I just can't imagine throwing more money at an organization with this level of disfunction!

 

[PCL_128]

malibu, it's not true that ATN ALPA is a burden on the Association. The MEC has been turning a surplus for months now. None of this has anything to do with money problems.

 

[e=mc2]

"We can't blame ALPA for our own apathy and stupidity."

At least Piggy knows how he got elected.

 

[redflyer65]

There was no outstanding loan from ALPA national that still needs paid back?

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

To be clear, it was the Chairman of the Contract Negotiations committee, not the Merger Committee.

I'll save my opinions on ATN71 business for our internal message board.

Ok, Ill read your opinion on that message board then.

 

[waveflyer]

Unfortunately it is the truth. When SWAPA takes over as our union they need dump every current ALPA rep. Hold no one over for any amount of time.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. You guys will have domicile reps and be responsible for electing those who represent YOU.

 

[bravodude]

]Amen.[/U]





What ever happened to "i'll quit before I have to work for SWA!'

 

[FIREMAN]

Unfortunately, that's not how it works. You guys will have domicile reps and be responsible for electing those who represent YOU.

I realize that. What I mean is no current reps keep their position. No deals. Fresh start.

 

[GuppyWN]

So now that we've all worked through the emotion of it all............

Why was the dude fired?

And was he or was he not involved in WN negotiations?

Gup

 

[waveflyer]

I realize that. What I mean is no current reps keep their position. No deals. Fresh start.

Don't mean to dig on you.
It sounds like these guys got to go. But it's funny how those who are compelled to union involvement find their way in it- a lot of the USAPA guys are the same ones USAIR threw out with alpa. Theres work to be done representing- even at great-culture-swa - and if the good men and women won't do it- there will be opportunities for the bad.

No one wants to be scratching their head thinking ...' how the hell did THOSE guys get back in??....'

 

[Ty Webb]

Maybe, maybe not

Place your bets . . . . :laugh:

 

[Ty Webb]

Ok, Ill read your opinion on that message board then.

Heh-heh . . . . I didn't say the secret message board, just the more appropriate one. :laugh:

 

[DonVerita]

Everyone needs to calm down. They sky isn't falling.

Our MEC has dramatically increased in size due to the opening of two additional domiciles - MCO and MKE. Now those two have LEC reps along with the LEC reps from ATL.

They all got together and decided a few changes were in order. This stuff happens from time to time. Some might say it is normal housecleaning. I recall that the SWAPA Vice President resigned not too long ago, for whatever reason; so you see...it happens there too.

The LEC reps wanted the MEC Vice Chairman out, so they removed him. A couple of weeks later, after ALL pilots from ALL domiciles were given the chance to be considered for the vacant position; the LEC reps made their choice from the candidates.

The LEC reps also wanted the NC Chairman removed from his position. So they did that too. The former NC Vice Chairman is now the new NC Chairman. No loss of continuity.

The sun still came up the next day and we're all still here and intact.

IMHO, this is the LEC's flexing their muscle and showing who is really in charge. Some may not support their decisions, but others will. It is a democracy and the majority rules.

 

[Lear70]

So now that we've all worked through the emotion of it all............

Why was the dude fired?

Varying answers, depending who you talk to. The MEC didn't put out an email explaining their reasons, so most of the line swine don't know and, given the apathy here, don't care to know.

One of the answers I got was that he wasn't doing any of the contract enforcement work which was his primary duty now that he wasn't negotiating it anymore. He and the now-Chairman of that committee are the most knowledgeable about the current contract and what was intended in each section, therefore they needed to be working the enforcement issues (and there are many) and a few are saying he wasn't.

And was he or was he not involved in WN negotiations?

Gup

Not yet. The Negotiating Committee won't be involved until AFTER arbitration, if it comes to that, to negotiate the implementation issues that transition our CBA into yours. Not that we will influence YOUR CBA in any way, but ours will have to slowly be changed to mirror yours during integration so that there's not a big pay disparity in our own ranks as our pilots go over, our schedules can be tweaked to mirror and work into yours for connecting passengers, lots and lots of things will need to change with our CBA and who better to negotiate that than the people who negotiated our CBA and know it best?

The Vice-Chair is now the chair, so there's still continuity of knowledge. Nothing to flip out about, but I imagine LH was put on notice to get current and simply run the union on a daily basis, and I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him resign after he gets current.

 

[FIREMAN]

So now that we've all worked through the emotion of it all............

Why was the dude fired?

And was he or was he not involved in WN negotiations?

Gup

It all stems from the “12 angry men” who are PO ed that they did not get their stared ALPA pin. The ATL LEC chairmen and secretary are the ring leaders. Well really the chairmen the secretary is just his lap dog. They were able to get their lackeys into the MCO and MKE LECs because anyone worth having does not want to be associated with the union because of all the childish crap going on. I hope that will change when SWAPA takes over and some descent people run for office.

 

[Fubijaakr]

IMHO, this is the LEC's flexing their muscle and showing who is really in charge. Some may not support their decisions, but others will. It is a democracy and the majority rules.

That's exactly what it is. Happens at every MEC. However, it isn't a democracy. Its a representative democracy. The difference is that x number of like thinking LEC reps rule. The majority has no say in the matter once the LEC officers are in office.

 

[Ty Webb]

It all stems from the “12 angry men” who are PO ed that they did not get their stared ALPA pin.

That's a rather bizarre interpretation. :laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

That's a rather bizarre interpretation. :laugh:

Seems to be dead on to me.

 

[GoodTimes]

This is better than Survivor

 

[Ty Webb]

Seriously, PCL, this ain't the place to debate ATN71 internal stuff.