AAA EMB190 Arbitration Award

[Saabslime]

Section 6 baby! Time to start looking out for ourselves.

 

[vtwin]

Everytime we have an AAA pilot in the jumpseat and they cry me a river, I let them finish their "woe is me story" and then ask them three questions:

1. Tell me about your PBGC pension and how much it is worth, we do not have a pension!

2. Tell me about the stock options you have and how much they are worth, we do not have any!

3. What did you do with the MONEY? During thr 1990's every F/O at AAA that had a few years on the property made more than any AWA captain did, so stop your F-ing crying and welcome to today's world.

Usually after that, conversations go to some neutral subject and the "woe is me" does not return.

Neutral because there is an a__hole in the cockpit.

Yes, welcome to todays world...where arrogant idiots poision cockpit atmospheres and screw up their own arbitrations. Too bad about that E190 award, huh? Go cry me a river little Carl. I'll bet you yell at ATC also, AWA captains must really look forward to flying with such a happy young guy like you. Boy, you really tell those AAA guys off, huh? I bet everybody is better off after you give them a piece of your little mind. Most captains apologizing
for you these days?

DOH for the East will keep you in the right seat for a while longer, maybe you will grow up a bit...on second thought, if you have been a punk your whole life anyway, nothing could change that. Poor guy Carl S, so intimidated
by something you have no real control over...welcome to todays world
hope you survive the next arbitration, emotionally.

 

[Hpilot]

Section 6 baby! Time to start looking out for ourselves.

Yeah, but it will only screw them for a short while. While we on the other hand are about to get screwed long term. Yeah, yeah I know all the retirements are coming. Factor in age 65 and another merger and that amounts to nothing. Don't forget that at some point we get to start sharing cockpits. Fun days ahead.

 

[BeCareful!]

It's amazing to me that so many pilots are experts on not only the arbitration process, but also reading the arbitrator's mind. Where do you guys find the time to perfect all of this stuff?

Good grief it's enough for me to simply show up for work and study for my PC every six months, but ya know, with only an IQ of 93 and all, well, ya know, every day I don't bump my head is a good one.......

 

[ALGFLYR]

Where do you guys find the time to perfect all of this stuff?

Ain't furlough great......

 

[vetrider]

Section 6 baby! Time to start looking out for ourselves.

I think section 6 would make things worse. Phsychologically it might give you a lift for a little while as you think you are doing something, for a little while that is. Remember how long we got stroked the last time?

In my opinion, under section 6 we would get stroked forever while all the action, so to speak, goes on back east. I think we would be more isolated and stagnant than ever, and with even more infighting than ever.

Clearly, a little regrouping and strategerizing(thanks Dubya) is in order. What that may end up being I'm not really sure, but I don't think section 6 is it.

 

[PHXFLYR]

...not with this group it isn't. And what makes them think that if they do open up Section 6 negotiations that we wouldn't land up losing what little we gained (real or imagined) in our current working agreement. No thanks. Lets stay focused on getting a joint agreement we all can live with,and worry about extracting our pound of flesh from the Easties some other way.


PHXFLYR

 

[joevollers]

I think section 6 would make things worse. Phsychologically it might give you a lift for a little while as you think you are doing something, for a little while that is. Remember how long we got stroked the last time?

In my opinion, under section 6 we would get stroked forever while all the action, so to speak, goes on back east. I think we would be more isolated and stagnant than ever, and with even more infighting than ever.

Clearly, a little regrouping and strategerizing(thanks Dubya) is in order. What that may end up being I'm not really sure, but I don't think section 6 is it.

Amen

If we would trust our so obviously accomplished Union to effectively open Section 6 and get our own... Yeah... great... I'd trust them to do that just on experience alone

 

[Carl S.]

AAA is taking AWA to the cleaners! vtwin nice personal attack, did the truth hurt too much? By the way, captains like to fly with me, I share my FARTS with them!

 

[vtwin]

AAA is taking AWA to the cleaners! vtwin nice personal attack, did the truth hurt too much? By the way, captains like to fly with me, I share my FARTS with them!

You share your FARTS with them.....?

You also sent a nasty Private Message to me for calling you out and cowardly blocked my ability to respond. By the way, getting old happens to everyone
lucky enough to wake up every morning, that comment in your Private Message really rocked me back, let me know the therapist your seeing so I can go somewhere else after taking that shot. I will start coloring my hair now thanks to you.

At least the idiot character portrayed by Bill Murray you use as an avatar was a likeable moron. I don't believe you work for AWA flamer, I have met too many fine people over there, and they have a standard you could not meet
or fake.

 

[Itsallsogood]

VTwin. I guess the CL65 says it all. Don't take the recall when offered. I really don't want you ticked off, if I let one go, while you are pulling gear for me. LOL

 

[vtwin]

Yeah, what does CL65 say anyway? It says furloughed AAA guy looking at taking recall. It says your scared sh__less that I will get the kind of seniority integration that is keeping you up a night. Pulling gear for you? Maybe,
maybe not, putting up with rudeness, never have, never will.

Only another idiot would take up for a fellow moron bragging about farting in a cockpit. You choose your battles wisely, huh?

Your AWA peers must be real proud of you, you make them look real good.....

 

[Itsallsogood]

VTWIN . You sir, are a tool. One that we will eventually have too put up with. Please, Get over youself. You have taken jobs from PSA... NOT AWA. Now gear up please.

 

[vtwin]

I never worked for PSA clown. Yes you will have to put up with me and many more returning AAA furloughess and you won't like it, especially if you continue to be such an ass in the right or left seat after this is said and done.

Now go sniff around some bathroom stall for entertainment
with the easily amused simple mind of yours after you have the last word you so desperatley need.

yeah, LOL

 

[Itsallsogood]

Returning furloughee. That should just about sum it up. AWA saves your furloughed ass and that is how you feel. If not PSA, then who's job DID you steal by going too? sTOOL.

 

[ALGFLYR]

At least the idiot character portrayed by Bill Murray you use as an avatar was a likeable moron. I don't believe you work for AWA flamer, I have met too many fine people over there, and they have a standard you could not meet
or fake.

I agree 100%! He is the epitome of a moron...

 

[vtwin]

Returning furloughee. That should just about sum it up. AWA saves your furloughed ass and that is how you feel. If not PSA, then who's job DID you steal by going too? sTOOL.

Hey S_itsall,

Sums up nothing just like your hollow stupid snide remarks. "sTOOL" nice, you really do have a preoccupation with all things concerning bowel movements like Carl S.

S_itsall, nobody saved my ass especially the west side of this cluster which was not even responsible for more than 1/3 of the profit last quarter. Neither did the East. Its all about timing and a myriad of other things that a working stiff like me has no control over except his manners. Like you, I am just labor in the cost side of this industry and like most guys who have been around have come to terms with it. Oh, yes, I have a number also. You know what a seniority number is don't you S_itsall? Mine is real dusty, time to brush it off, for awhile even I thought it was totally worthless and moved on, have not used it for a while, but I think its still good, might be worth more than some guys can stand to admit, and wow, says 1989 on it. Cool. More guys thinking of going back now than ever. Yes, seniority numbers, got to love em. Union Basic's 101. Furlough can suck for folks like you, cause another better candidate like me comes along and takes your job at the interview away, but recall, S_itsall,....itsallgood if you ever need it huh? What a surprise for us AAA guys! AAA making money and recalling. Love these legitamate career options. Guys thinking of leaving JB to come back, who would have thunk it.

Hey S_itsall? BOO! Got ya! Oh,...its just a seniority number, don't worry.


Guess what, S_itsall? More mergers coming and more job taking as you define it. Pain train is coming. Welcome to the incestuous US airline industry. Don't you wish we could all just fly SNJ's and be happy? I do.

For you its all about stealing someones job, and getting your pound from the East huh? Angry young man. Woe is you. I will bet your thoughtless conversations usually go like this: "Were really getting screwed here huh fellow AWA dude?" "Totally" "Lets blame the Eastie pilots, we are entitled" "Totally" "Lets fart now" Calling us Easties,.... now that is cute.

About stealing jobs by the way, did you go to work for some Aussie carrier back in the 80's if your low level of emotional maturity belies your real age? You remember that don't you S_itsall? Many others do. Union Basic's 102,
Industrial Actions.

 

[MCDU]

well said

 

[Itsallsogood]

again ....you sir, are a tool. and YOU ARE WELCOME! ..for you to cash a pay check. (AWA)

 

[Itsallsogood]

Carl, isn't sad that only the CL-65's post here as actual "Mainline" pilots?
can you say......."EXPRESS"

 

[DustyBottoms]

You know what a seniority number is don't you S_itsall? Mine is real dusty, time to brush it off, for awhile even I thought it was totally worthless and moved on.....

I know this is how most of the furloughed guys felt about their career expectations with AAA prior to the merger (or buyout, as a lot of financial publications put it). It's nice to see some people admitting it.

 

[erjdude]

Hey S_itsall,

Sums up nothing just like your hollow stupid snide remarks. "sTOOL" nice, you really do have a preoccupation with all things concerning bowel movements like Carl S.

S_itsall, nobody saved my ass especially the west side of this cluster which was not even responsible for more than 1/3 of the profit last quarter. Neither did the East. Its all about timing and a myriad of other things that a working stiff like me has no control over except his manners. Like you, I am just labor in the cost side of this industry and like most guys who have been around have come to terms with it. Oh, yes, I have a number also. You know what a seniority number is don't you S_itsall? Mine is real dusty, time to brush it off, for awhile even I thought it was totally worthless and moved on, have not used it for a while, but I think its still good, might be worth more than some guys can stand to admit, and wow, says 1989 on it. Cool. More guys thinking of going back now than ever. Yes, seniority numbers, got to love em. Union Basic's 101. Furlough can suck for folks like you, cause another better candidate like me comes along and takes your job at the interview away, but recall, S_itsall,....itsallgood if you ever need it huh? What a surprise for us AAA guys! AAA making money and recalling. Love these legitamate career options. Guys thinking of leaving JB to come back, who would have thunk it.

Hey S_itsall? BOO! Got ya! Oh,...its just a seniority number, don't worry.


Guess what, S_itsall? More mergers coming and more job taking as you define it. Pain train is coming. Welcome to the incestuous US airline industry. Don't you wish we could all just fly SNJ's and be happy? I do.

For you its all about stealing someones job, and getting your pound from the East huh? Angry young man. Woe is you. I will bet your thoughtless conversations usually go like this: "Were really getting screwed here huh fellow AWA dude?" "Totally" "Lets blame the Eastie pilots, we are entitled" "Totally" "Lets fart now" Calling us Easties,.... now that is cute.

About stealing jobs by the way, did you go to work for some Aussie carrier back in the 80's if your low level of emotional maturity belies your real age? You remember that don't you S_itsall? Many others do. Union Basic's 102,
Industrial Actions.

first of all it is bull#$it what has happened to all the furloughed east guys, particularly someone like you hired in 1989. It is not fair that you have that kind of longevity are furloughed. I am just curious, if aaa had not become lcc then when the recall finally happened what would your longevity have gotten you? Would have been able jump ahead of hundreds or thousands pilots not on furlough? and if so would that not be a windfall?

You and your friends have suffered mightily for many years. You did not deserve any of this and i hope you are given the chance to get at least some of it back before it is to late.

However I worked for a growing relitively stable company before this merger. we had 1800 pilots with hiring of 300 a year predicted for several years(we were to recieve 22 airplanes 2006-2008, allready on order). Yes we do bring pilots to the list but we also bring 140 airplanes. so it all evens out in the wash.

Furloughed pilots should not go ahead of active pilots. You would not have gotten that had the merger not happened. you had no career expectations or quality of life and it would be a windfall.

P.S. guys like carl and itsallgood are just the 2%at any pilot group. You will find the vast majority of us great to fly with regardless of which seat either one us ends up in. I have heard the same about your group.

 

[Carl S.]

Wow,
vtwin is one angry laid-off dude/gal, I'll say that much. Going from my expectations at AAA are ZERO to I go in front of working pilots at another airline who are part of the reason you have that opportunity now. Sorry for not turning on the ability to respond to my IM, I have to work/fly so I do not have all day to play on the computer like you do. Be happy, AAA is 3 and 0 against AWA but NO! Cry Cry Cry!!! Nobody feels sorry for you, why didn't you get on at SWA of JB like other laid of guys/gals, oh, let me guess, the world is in debt to you attitude? By the way, I know you worked(past tense) at AAA, you complain with the best of them!

 

[Itsallsogood]

wow... another CRJ "DUDE" (west coast lingo In guess)

 

[Itsallsogood]

P.S. at least this 2% vote.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Furloughed pilots should not go ahead of active pilots. You would not have gotten that had the merger not happened. you had no career expectations or quality of life and it would be a windfall.

That is not true. AAA has a massive retirement coming up. We're talking 300-400 per year for some time to come. For me personally, before the merger, if I go to the retirement calculator, I would retire at age 60 as a 767 Captain. There are a few furloughed pilots that would have retired number 1 on the seniority list. If I don't get my career expectation, and a AWA pilot get the 767 Captain slot, that my friend is a windfall. Nobody at AWA can say they had the expectation of any wide-body flying. Either we take care of this through the integration, or we build fences that keep the AWA pilots off the widewodys until all furloughed pilots that had that expectation has bid into that equipment...

 

[MCDU]

well said

 

[abefly]

That is not true. AAA has a massive retirement coming up. We're talking 300-400 per year for some time to come. For me personally, before the merger, if I go to the retirement calculator, I would retire at age 60 as a 767 Captain. There are a few furloughed pilots that would have retired number 1 on the seniority list. If I don't get my career expectation, and a AWA pilot get the 767 Captain slot, that my friend is a windfall. Nobody at AWA can say they had the expectation of any wide-body flying. Either we take care of this through the integration, or we build fences that keep the AWA pilots off the widewodys until all furloughed pilots that had that expectation has bid into that equipment...

Not gonna happen. Sorry. I wish the best for everyone, but the furloughed pilots will be below all active pilots. We all need to stop arguing over something that is out of our control, senority, and start concentrating on a industry leading contract!

 

[erjdude]

That is not true. AAA has a massive retirement coming up. We're talking 300-400 per year for some time to come. For me personally, before the merger, if I go to the retirement calculator, I would retire at age 60 as a 767 Captain. There are a few furloughed pilots that would have retired number 1 on the seniority list. If I don't get my career expectation, and a AWA pilot get the 767 Captain slot, that my friend is a windfall. Nobody at AWA can say they had the expectation of any wide-body flying. Either we take care of this through the integration, or we build fences that keep the AWA pilots off the widewodys until all furloughed pilots that had that expectation has bid into that equipment...

AWA had widebodys. Can you tell me we would not have had any in the future?

Your expectation before the merger was to maybe get recalled to the bottom of the list if the company servived. My expectations were much different as i was actually employed ...........for a growing and profitable airline.

P.S. AWA had retirements comming as well. do you really think the only pilots that age are AAA pilots.

 

[Itsallsogood]

Retirement calculator? how about "look for another job and start at the bottom calculater?"