AA/US ISL question

[Carl S.]

Sorry for the typo. Still think APA holds Usapa in a positive light after those recent court filings? Happy 420 days are here again...

 

[Turtle21]

Sorry for the typo. Still think APA holds Usapa in a positive light after those recent court filings? Happy 420 days are here again...

Never thought APA held any other pilot group in a positive light. I am OK that I will never be a reAAl pilot. We all have our own shortcomings and learn to live with it.

 

[B6Driver]

Never thought APA held any other pilot group in a positive light. I am OK that I will never be a reAAl pilot. We all have our own shortcomings and learn to live with it.

Don't feel too bad, the real "Hired not acquired" crowd don't like each other much either; Go figure.:nuts:

 

[Turtle21]

Don't feel too bad, the real "Hired not acquired" crowd don't like each other much either; Go figure.:nuts:

"I was an Air Force Fighter pilot. Everyone hates me, but its only because they are jealous." !

 

[Bringupthebird]

Things look rosey for Usapa after all those court Fillings this week?

Fillings is right. The BPR has got to be filling their britches about now.

My prediction is the the east BPR members find a way to go on LTD after APA takes over so that they never have to face the victims of their ill-conceived juggernaut and answer the question, "What about me? I sacrificed as much or more than the top 200 F/O's but I didn't get anything out of USAPA except an injunction and a weak, ineffective but obscenely expensive union."

Frankly, a few thousand hours of backpedaling for the next 15 years or so would be good for them.

 

[Metrojet]

You have a written receipt proving you paid $675 for a tie, and you get to wear it around your neck. But you have nothing in writing to prove your supposition about lost opportunity costs, other than a Leonidas publication sent to addresses that were stolen, causing the company to buy Lifelock for all.

Just admit it though, this isn't about ties or Lifelock, it's about upgrades and wide bodies, and that's why you guys have paid Marty millions trying to get them.

I heard that the lead attorney from the firm that AOL retained (Marty ) is not with the firm any more and is now representing AOL as an independent practitioner because AOL owes so much money to the firm?

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

 

[Metrojet]

I'm not gonna jump on the little nimrod, it's all he's got. Your tie cost you $675, his lanyard cost him about $150K. Comparison over.

Incorrect assumption - if he has upgraded in the last 3 years or so - his little yellow lanyard has returned an investment of almost $80,000 thru the end of 2013. And your $675 tie has lost you thousands if according to your logic - if the TA was passed with the "Kirby" proposal and NIC implemented - you would have had upgraded / and or gotten a hourly pay increase.

 

[Jim]

Lost $150k, gained $80k from upgrade, still in the hole $70k. Yup, that's a good return.

 

[TWA Dude]

Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor?

Thank you for your concern. Marty did leave the firm around fall of last year. No idea why but there's no change in our representation from him and Andy.

How long till the next "rumor" that AOL is broke surfaces?

 

[Metrojet]

Thank you for your concern. Marty did leave the firm around fall of last year. No idea why but there's no change in our representation from him and Andy.

How long till the next "rumor" that AOL is broke surfaces?

Thanks for confirming the rumor as true. No other rumors here.

Metrojet

 

[Bringupthebird]

Incorrect assumption - if he has upgraded in the last 3 years or so - his little yellow lanyard has returned an investment of almost $80,000 thru the end of 2013. And your $675 tie has lost you thousands if according to your logic - if the TA was passed with the "Kirby" proposal and NIC implemented - you would have had upgraded / and or gotten a hourly pay increase.

A whole lotta "ifs" there Jethrojet.

How about IF the east accepted the NIC and pressed immediately for a new contract with the full force of the unified pilot group behind it and IF that resulted in a MUCH improved first contract and IF that forced the company to up the MOU significantly in order to buy a smooth merger with AA and IF the east had the credibility to make relevant and meaningful contribution to the leadership of the new APA-controlled pilot union then everyone would have gained, not merely those who grabbed their embarrassing $125/hr gold stripe.

On the other hand, by defending to the death your lowest wages in the industry, you had a much better statistical chance of merging with someone who could have brought your wages up.

I'm sorry there's no one back east you can rely on to tell you the truth. Do you have a magnetic ribbon in the shape of a question mark on your car for Ignorance Awareness. Help find a cure before its too late!

 

[BeCareful!]

So, I see the idiotic spin and vitriol is still spewing here. Inflammatory rhetoric cranked up to 11! Jesus, what a pathetic waste of time. I'm glad I only drop by here once in a great while.

I just have a question related to the latest East bid: How does Date of Hire look now? Seriously, if you wake up tomorrow and decide to live in the here and now (fat chance, I understand), would it be so awful bad and viciously demeaning to assume your position based on the day you were hired at -- what was that place? -- oh yeah, America West Airlines (AKA: Commercial Aviation's Ultimate Powerhouse.)

OK....that's all. I'll stop by next month to read all the wise and considerate words this thought process generates. Enjoy your PHX narrow body flying.

 

[waveflyer]

Yes, be careful. Everyone should conveniently forget that usair was on the verge of dissolution. And forget their ever was a final and binding award between east and west.

You hope for that I know, but the rest of the industry hasn't forgotten

 

[Bringupthebird]

BeCareful would likely have had BeenUnemployed. Even though they may feel protected by No Bump No Flush, justice is only a hub re-alignment away. Keep a displacement bid on file!

Make sure you snap a selfie in your position before it vaporizes.

 

[Carl S.]

Doh=doa...