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canadflyau

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I would like to hear how you feel the vote will turn out. I was told it is like choosing between two evils.

1) Agree to the horrible 6yr contract, only to be left hoping the other two unions vote Yes, and still left hoping AA doesn't file even if all 3 groups were to agree
2) Vote no and maintain your current contract and see what happens (of course mgt promises what will happen will be bankruptcy)

Weigh in....

Also, how can APA have you vote on unfinalized contract language... I mean you are voting yes/no on bullet points, is that allowed?
 
There's nothing to guarantee that AMR won't still file even if these contracts are ratified. Don Carty even alluded to that possibility in one of his letters to employees. I think labor realizes there's a possibility of giving concessions twice here, and also realizes that only bankruptcy can make certain changes these contracts can't, like streamlining of management. You're right that the contracts are not even finalized yet- in fact they're changing even after some members have voted.

I predict the concessions will be shot down by a wide margin, possibly by all the unions, and AMR will file CH11 around mid-day Tuesday.
 
Mid-day tuesday if it's all not just a big bluff. If AMR opens the books to the public, it's going to make the Enron debacle look like 2 kids running a lemonade stand.
 
Yeah I was told that AMR didn't file originally b/c it needed more time to get the books in order... So just what books were they opening to APA then???
 
Pilots voted about 2 to 1 to approve. Doesn't really matter however . . . Carty hasn't a clue to a business plan.

Let's see:
1. SARS in the far east. Even Cathay Pacific is talking about shutting down . . . .losing 5 million a day.
2. European traffic WAY down due to fear and de facto boycots. Flew a Paris trip the other day with only 125 pax (on cheap tickets) and NOBODY in First Class.
3. 91% break even point with average of 70% load factors.

BK will come in a few months, after a pathetically poor summer season, empty international flights, and destroyed employee morale.
 
AA FA's Reject plan

Sounds like the FA's have pushed the BK car off the cliff..........

AF:eek:



Report: Flight Attendants Reject American Airlines Plan

Tuesday, April 15, 2003



In a blow to the world's largest carrier, flight attendants at American Airlines Tuesday voted against a key wage concession agreement, paving the way for an imminent bankruptcy filing, a local news radio station reported.

American, a division of AMR Corp. (AMR), has said it would file for bankruptcy if any of its three main unions did not ratify the concession deals. American is trying to cut labor costs by $1.8 billion a year, or more than 20 percent.

News radio station KRLD reported that the union had narrowly rejected the deal and was in talks with the airline to see if they could quickly poll their members again. Pilots and ground workers at the two other major unions at American had approved concession deals earlier in the day.

The Association of Professional Flight Attendants voted against a deal that would cut annual pay and benefits for flight attendants collectively by $340 million.

Leaders of the three main unions had said they reluctantly supported the cost-cutting deals as an alternative to bankruptcy, which could lead to even deeper cuts.

"There is no upside to bankruptcy," pilots' union president John Darrah said.

But angry employees packed union meetings to complain that terms of the concession deals were too harsh. They objected to the length of the deals -- nearly six years -- and small raises in later years.

American sweetened the deals last week by offering one-time bonuses of up to 4.5 percent in 2006 or later if the company's credit ratings improve sharply.

But workers began voting shortly after their unions reached tentativeagreements with American on March 31, and while pilots and ground workers were able to change their votes until Tuesday, flight attendants were not. Many flight attendants may have rejected the deal before American improved its offer.

American sought $660 million in annual concessions from its 12,000 pilots, $620 million from 34,000 ground workers and $340 million from 24,000 flight attendants. The agreements include layoffs for 2,500 pilots, about 2,000 flight attendants and up to 1,400 ground workers.

American chairman and chief executive Donald J. Carty had warned that if American went into bankruptcy, it would seek $500 million in additional labor concessions. Darrah said he feared bankruptcy would mean another 500 to 1,500 pilots would be laid off.

American's parent, Fort Worth-based AMR, has lost nearly $5.3 billion in the past two years and continues to lose about $5 million a day.

Meanwhile, a source said Monday that American has almost wrapped up $1.5 billion in debtor-in-possession financing, should it file for bankruptcy.

The potential DIP lenders are the lead bank, Citibank , along with J.P. Morgan Chase & Co Inc. , Merrill Lynch & Co Inc. and CIT Group Inc. , the source said.

If Fort Worth, Texas-based American files for Chapter 11 protection, Citibank will put up $750 million in a special credit-card backed DIP, similar to what Bank One Corp. did for UAL Corp.(UAL)'s United Airlines last December.

The four lenders will take equal part in the remaining $750 million of financing. The total DIP loan can be increased to $1.75 billion, if necessary, upon a special vote, the source said.

Reuters and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
 

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