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PS. I found that American agreed to compensate their hours.....good.... anyway, doing sh!t like this it brings them all on step closer to the unemployment line. American is a premier airline doing the best it can to try to stay in business. They SHOULD BE THANKFUL THEY HAVE A JOB!
 
You should tend to your own knitting, bootlicker. Fortunatly, the worlds largest airline has seen fit to hire an outside consultant to deal with the FAA. Evidently they got to be the biggest airline without knowing how to maintain their aircraft. Strange that no one on property is up to he task. How much you figure this consultant will cost? At least no one will ever again have a reason to question mamagement.
 
Just like the other one that got closed about AA pilots crapping where they work.

AA Pilots and the APA are right on in their feelings about their company's management. I would hope all pilots regardless of the economic situation would be willing to stand up when idiots run their place into the ground.

I wish the SWA pilots would do the same.
 
Oh their right-on allright, in that respect, but they should have been more noble. Passengers pay our salaries boys, and I"m sure they are rushing to buy tickets now, as if they were before stupid wiring harness issues, as if they were before that. The union is trying to capitalize on this whole thing by urging the pilots to SH!T WERE THEY EAT. Forgive those whining sniveling union a**es for they know not what they do.

I'm done. Nobody wants to rap if we aren't talking about Southwest.
 
BEfly said:
I'm done. Nobody wants to rap....
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Rap? Who are you? Vanilla Ice? Please, insire us union pukes some more with your keen insight about how a union should be run and how we should all have our heads up the bosses ass like yours appears to be.
 
This society doesn't know right from wrong and many pilots do not know wrong even when it bites them.

This is not a shade of gray. This is AMR management can not manage its resources.

3300 grounded flights because AMR management can not do its job.

And AMR management got a $300M bonus this past spring for NOT doing its job.

Any bootlicker who has a problem with this is a fool.
 
luckytohaveajob said:
This society doesn't know right from wrong and many pilots do not know wrong even when it bites them.

This is not a shade of gray. This is AMR management can not manage its resources.

3300 grounded flights because AMR management can not do its job.

And AMR management got a $300M bonus this past spring for NOT doing its job.

Any bootlicker who has a problem with this is a fool.
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Exactly. The mgt continues to rake in the cash at the expense of the rank and file employee day in and day out. They are a bunch of low-life POS crooks in my book!
 
BEfly said:
PS. I found that American agreed to compensate their hours.....good.... anyway, doing sh!t like this it brings them all on step closer to the unemployment line. American is a premier airline doing the best it can to try to stay in business. They SHOULD BE THANKFUL THEY HAVE A JOB!
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Go back to flying your Cessna and leave the union work to air line pilots. And try not to chafe your knees too bad while you're under your boss's desk.
 
PFT 128 HAS SPOKEN. YOU WILL LISTEN AND RESPEK!

(cue alpo cheerleaders)
 
Ah, another management pole-smoker has made an appearance. Nice picture of yourself, by the way.
 
stupidpilot said:
Exactly. The mgt continues to rake in the cash at the expense of the rank and file employee day in and day out. They are a bunch of low-life POS crooks in my book!
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This is a nationwide epidemic, as you all have obviously noted yourselves. We are in an ever stratifying society, economically speaking, and I am at a loss to tell you how to fix it. In the past, the upper class/top 10%/ corporate elites, whatever you wish to call them, at least tried to earn their keep and not boast of their entitlement to high earnings at the expense of us 'little people'. Now it is an environment of shameless greed, to such an extreme level it is almost humorous.

We now have a sort of quasi-state television to support this environment: CNBC - a tireless supporter of NAFTA, FOX - one on air personality once claimed that the 28mill people on food stamps by the end of the year means nothing, Headline News- listen to Glen Beck reason why oil companies who make 40bill in one quarter need 18bill in tax incentives over 10 years, etc.

All of these stations give the impression everything is fine, same old America. But the continuing erosion of the middle class shows a divide building that someday will have a catastrophic impact on our national interest. I don't see either political party, which is in the back pocket of these industrial elites via lobbyist, special interest groups, etc. making this any better.

It is a tough call as to whether what APA is up too is a good idea. Sure, the company is in enough PR trouble as it is, but on the other hand, if there are leadership elements in the union that sincerely believe that Arpey and his cronies need to go, this may be the first opening for them to try and effect this in recent times.

I have strong doubts myself about Arpey's leadership and his still being there will certainly be part of the decision process as to whether I take a recall to them or not......when they get to my 1997 hire (TWA) number in the 22nd century.
 
I actually agree with APA's message and I believe they are spot on.

HOWEVER, you should never badmouth your company in public. There are other, more tactfull ways of doing it that make the APA look like they are being pro-active, not like they are whinning.
 
BEfly said:
PS. I found that American agreed to compensate their hours.....good.... anyway, doing sh!t like this it brings them all on step closer to the unemployment line. American is a premier airline doing the best it can to try to stay in business. They SHOULD BE THANKFUL THEY HAVE A JOB!
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Get lost new guy! Back to the corporate forum for you. You know nothing of unions and airlines.

Move on.......nothing to see here for you.
 
TV9Driver said:
I actually agree with APA's message and I believe they are spot on.

HOWEVER, you should never badmouth your company in public. There are other, more tactfull ways of doing it that make the APA look like they are being pro-active, not like they are whinning.
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Actually, I think this is what our union should start doing. We should start with an ad campaign attacking management for their compensation. Our CEO making $4.9 million per year is unconscionable.
 
BEfly said:
PS. I found that American agreed to compensate their hours.....good.... anyway, doing sh!t like this it brings them all on step closer to the unemployment line. American is a premier airline doing the best it can to try to stay in business. They SHOULD BE THANKFUL THEY HAVE A JOB!
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Yes, but only if they sit reserve on all their on all their off days for the rest of the month. IOW, no more days off for the remainder of April.
 
Are you kidding? The APA agreed to that?
 
Nothing to agree to. APA does not have trip guarantee. If a flight or the whole trip cancels, you don't get paid. The company is simply making them an offer to get paid for these cancellations in return for giving up their off days for the rest of the month.

If they have any takers, that another question.
 
No trip guarantee? Was that part of the concession package, or has it always been that way over there?
 
BEfly said:
PS. I found that American agreed to compensate their hours.....good.... anyway, doing sh!t like this it brings them all on step closer to the unemployment line. American is a premier airline doing the best it can to try to stay in business. They SHOULD BE THANKFUL THEY HAVE A JOB!
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And how many years do you have under your belt with American, Captain? None??? Oh...then why don't you let the APA and their pilots fight THEIR battle?

Probably some desk jockey green with envy wishing he was a pilot...

 
rtmcfi said:
You should tend to your own knitting, bootlicker. Fortunatly, the worlds largest airline has seen fit to hire an outside consultant to deal with the FAA. Evidently they got to be the biggest airline without knowing how to maintain their aircraft. Strange that no one on property is up to he task. How much you figure this consultant will cost? At least no one will ever again have a reason to question mamagement.
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That's "management" today. Anything comes up, you run out and hire a consultant. It's not just American, either. It's an industry-wide trend.

They are very very expensive, by the way.
 
BEfly said:
Oh their right-on allright, in that respect, but they should have been more noble. Passengers pay our salaries boys, and I"m sure they are rushing to buy tickets now, as if they were before stupid wiring harness issues, as if they were before that. The union is trying to capitalize on this whole thing by urging the pilots to SH!T WERE THEY EAT. Forgive those whining sniveling union a**es for they know not what they do.

I'm done. Nobody wants to rap if we aren't talking about Southwest.
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GO BACK to your FOPA(Flight Options Pilots Ass.) meeting and the majors to the big boys. You wont find any anti-union love here skippy!
 
PCL_128 said:
No trip guarantee? Was that part of the concession package, or has it always been that way over there?
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Remember their sick out in the late 90s?

Imagine you having a trip in a couple of days and you suspect that the guy you're flying with might call in sick for the next trip, you also know that the company is really short on reserves. What do you do? If the other guy call in sick and they can't find a reserve, they will cancel the trip and you don't get paid. The only way that you can make sure to get paid is to call in sick before the other guy does.

I think that's one reason their little sick out thing snowballed so of control. But to answer your question, I know its been like this for at least the last 10 years.
 
BE40 is a Flight options management lover. I appoloize to everyone for this digression. We are at the end, i.e. the ugly part, of our contract neg. We have a small portion of people who are out to save the world. We will give him the hairy eyeball, so as not to embarASS us again. At this point I return you to your regulary programing.
 

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