AA pilot union rep dodges flying water bottle

[Palomino]

...from across the table

http://startelegram.typepad.com/sky_talk/2007/11/apa-union-offic.html

 

[Flyby1206]

Its going to be a very ugly few years in the AMR household. Expect the domestic abuse reports to keep coming!

 

[flatspin7]

Does this mean the AA's MD-80s are going to taxi even slower!!!!

Fight the good fight gents!!!

 

[sat74]

The email says a lot of pilots are facing termination. What are guys getting fired for at AA?

 

[AA717driver]

The email says a lot of pilots are facing termination. What are guys getting fired for at AA?

I hope it's not for not wearing a hat...

If it's for not respecting management, will the last one out please turn out the lights? TC

 

[pw4000]

who cares

 

[LJDRVR]

who cares

Thousands of professional pilots.

Putz.

 

[GOULET!]

Flyby1206 hit the nail on the head. It is going to be very nasty the next few years at AA. After managements rediculous bonuses and tactics you boys better step up to the plate and not back down! I could see this showdown coming down to a strike.

 

[aa73]

Does this mean the AA's MD-80s are going to taxi even slower!!!!

Not just MD80s... everything in the fleet! (Except on the last leg for us commuters, of course.)

 

[BIGGOAT]

Hats off to mgt. Thats some funny stuff!


Goat

 

[pkober]

Flyby1206 hit the nail on the head. It is going to be very nasty the next few years at AA. After managements rediculous bonuses and tactics you boys better step up to the plate and not back down! I could see this showdown coming down to a strike.

I bet the AA guys will thank you for the pep talk. If there's one union that will stand up and fight it's these guys.

 

[AA717driver]

Not just MD80s... everything in the fleet! (Except on the last leg for us commuters, of course.)

Where's your hat, mister!?

pkober--Yeah, "why can't we all just get along" is NOT APA's slogan... How's life at CAL? Hope you're doing well. TC

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Like they fought in the spring of 03. Gave 23% with the threat of BK. Don't get me wrong I hope someone pilot group stands up, but I am not counting on it. AA will threaten BK and they will cave or they will stand strong and AA will file a sham BK like NW or DL and have a Texas judge take it from them.

 

[ils2minimums]

Like they fought in the spring of 03. Gave 23% with the threat of BK. Don't get me wrong I hope someone pilot group stands up, but I am not counting on it. AA will threaten BK and they will cave or they will stand strong and AA will file a sham BK like NW or DL and have a Texas judge take it from them.

Two words:
Lloyd Hill

 

[AA717driver]

Two words:
Lloyd Hill

I disagree. I believe Hill is a unrestrictive conduit for the feelings of the pilots. He won't water down the emotions of the pilot group or try to avoid a confrontation with a confrontational company. TC

 

[aa73]

Where's your hat, mister!?

I actually started wearing it every once in a while... just enough to shake the dust off the glamorous "hat patch."

 

[pkober]

Where's your hat, mister!?

pkober--Yeah, "why can't we all just get along" is NOT APA's slogan... How's life at CAL? Hope you're doing well. TC

So far so good. I hope our guys here take a look at the strong words that APA is using and start using them also.

I'm beginning to hear too much of "the company will never go for that" when talking about our next contract. I just hope the phrase "at the discretion of the company" doesn't appear in contract 08 as it does far too often in POS 02.

Great avatar. "We're gonna need you to move to the basement....."

 

[Draginass]

If the so-called "managers" at AA are trying to make the company to go the way of Eastern, they're off to a good start.

Working for AA now isn't nearly worth the money and pain right now. Unless there's some real leadership shown and compensation and employee treatment increases dramatically, they may well preside over the demise of the iconic national airline.

Of course, we all know that US executives care little for the ultimate outcome of their corporations since they get massive payouts regardless of the success or failure of the company.

 

[Lear70]

I'm wondering how long it will be until the management of these various airlines realize that the employees are p*ssed and just simply aren't going to take it anymore and that the employees have the power to drive the airline to a standstill.

Yes, it's a risk, but a calculated one. No one wants to kill the "golden goose", but it's high time that things in this industry swing back our way.

No one is going to make that happen for us. It's OUR responsibility to MAKE it happen, and I applaud the AA pilots for taking this fight to the mat.

 

[AA717driver]

Lear--Thanks for the sentiment! The problem is, there are too many former Ch.11 airlines whose pilots got too close to losing their jobs to push their companies too far. (The exception may be UAL.)

It's hard to get rid of that mindset once you've been to the brink. I used to have it but after being laid off, I realize it's not the end of the world and you can survive.

Can Chicago survive the loss of a major airline? DFW? DEN? We'll see. TC

 

[pkober]

Lear--Thanks for the sentiment! The problem is, there are too many former Ch.11 airlines whose pilots got too close to losing their jobs to push their companies too far. (The exception may be UAL.)

It's hard to get rid of that mindset once you've been to the brink. I used to have it but after being laid off, I realize it's not the end of the world and you can survive.

Can Chicago survive the loss of a major airline? DFW? DEN? We'll see. TC

True statement.

ALPA national would hate to see a major pilot group push it and go the way of Eastern. Think of all the due$ they would lose and it could even affect how much of a salary the ALPA top dogs make.

We as a national union need to stand firm. All of us, not just locals. If we want true change across the industry we need to stand united.

 

[AA717driver]

pk--You're right, we do need a national union. The first bylaw should be that no one who EVER worked for ALPA can be a rep.--national or local or occupy ANY job (lobbyist or lawyer, gopher or janitor) in the new union.

The first thing that would happen if we ever do get a new national union is the carpetbaggers and shoeshine boys from Herndon would try to move in and start avoiding flying again. TC

 

[flygirlqt]

pk--You're right, we do need a national union. The first bylaw should be that no one who EVER worked for ALPA can be a rep.--national or local or occupy ANY job (lobbyist or lawyer, gopher or janitor) in the new union.

The first thing that would happen if we ever do get a new national union is the carpetbaggers and shoeshine boys from Herndon would try to move in and start avoiding flying again. TC

Now you have done it. We will soon be subjected to an endless litany of messages by Rez O telling all of us we are the problem...not the failed leadership making over $500K a year sipping Espressos in Herndon.

His leader in the ALPA/Rez O mutual admiration society and personal side kick, PCL_128, will soon follow.

 

[pkober]

Mt thang is that we are a national union but too often we are a loose collection of locals just hoping for one of our union "brothers" airlines to fail. You hear it all the time , "we really need one airline to fail right now because there are too many." If an airline fails an ALPA brother is on the street. That should never be the objective.

Airline execs know that we are such a fractured pilot group that we are not a real threat. They can do what they want and we will bi+ch on FI but never really stand up.

The only ones who will stand up are the ones who will lecture me about being the real problem. We all know they are the only "true" unionists.

 

[Lear70]

The only ones who will stand up are the ones who will lecture me about being the real problem. We all know they are the only "true" unionists.

There are always exceptions to that rule.

Unfortunately, those who do stand up often get shot down by the very management we stood against when they tried to take advantage of us as a group.

Then we are vilified, marginalized, and made to suffer as an example to the rest of the group. This is just one management tactic of many we have seen employed and, unfortunately, it's a successful one.

No one wants to be the standout and, until EVERYONE (or at least the VAST majority) stands up as one so as not to present a single target, it will continue and we will gain no ground.

Divided we fall has never been more true...

 

[BOOZENEWS]

The problem is, there are too many former Ch.11 airlines whose pilots got too close to losing their jobs to push their companies too far. (The exception may be UAL.)

It's hard to get rid of that mindset once you've been to the brink.

And not having a plan B to survive in case of a strike or shutdown is plain crazy.

You would never takeoff without a well thought out alternate when your destination is right at minimums would you?!!

Not having a plan B for a strike, furlough or shutdown is stupider than what I described. It is equivilant to approaching that destination which now has just been fogged in WITHOUT ENOUGH FUEL TO GO ANYWHERE ELSE!!!

WISE UP PEOPLE.

 

[AA717driver]

Now you have done it. We will soon be subjected to an endless litany of messages by Rez O telling all of us we are the problem...not the failed leadership making over $500K a year sipping Espressos in Herndon.

His leader in the ALPA/Rez O mutual admiration society and personal side kick, PCL_128, will soon follow.

Yeah, it's a sickness. I just can't keep from yanking on their chains.

SHOESHINE! SHINE'EMUP, Rez! TC

 

[SpiderMan]

The dude that had the water bottle thrown at him should have called the cops and pressed charges.

 

[flygirlqt]

The dude that had the water bottle thrown at him should have called the cops and pressed charges.

If it was the other way around, the pilot would have been fired.

Just goes to show there are nothing but double standards everywhere.

 

[flygirlqt]

Yeah, it's a sickness. I just can't keep from yanking on their chains.

SHOESHINE! SHINE'EMUP, Rez! TC

With the amount of energy both of them expel on this forum for an ever clearer failing cause, their chains is not what actually is in need of yanking

I was thinking the exact same image of boot licking. Especially when you follow the career progression of PCL and his excuses to make "amends" given his rhetoric and lambasting to anyone who just wants to close a certain orifice to his eternal sunshine about ALPA.

Rez O is just a lost cause grasping on to a mentality similar to the floggings will continue until morale improves. Those like him that are so blinded by past actions within ALPA have alienated so many pilots, they have nothing left but to blame the membership for all of ALPA's ills. Further,making it even more reprehensible they continue to defend the ilk and policies that permeate the union even today.